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Fixing CCW in California - this is how (Calif gunnies, READ!)

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Jim March, Sep 22, 2004.

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  1. Jim March

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    Attached find a 10 page briefing paper. Read it. It's in "Rich Text Format" which should work in any word processor, even Windows Wordpad.

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    Done?

    Good.

    Arnold's veto pattern proves he'll READ such a report.

    As you can see, there's a few bits missing, on purpose.

    I need committed volunteers from the following areas at a minimum:

    Los Angeles (county unincorporated land or a small "sheriff's patrol contract" city)
    Los Angeles City
    Contra Costa County (anywhere)
    Alameda County (anywhere)
    Marin County (anywhere)
    San Joaquin County (anywhere)
    Sacramento County (need county land)
    Sacramento City
    San Diego County (anywhere)
    Santa Clara County (county land)
    San Jose City
    San Francisco
    San Mateo County (county land)
    Sonoma County (county land)
    Davis City
    Walnut Creek City
    Pittsburg City
    Richmond City
    Concord City
    Antioch City
    Santa Cruz County (county land)
    San Bernardino County (anywhere)

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    This is NOT a complete list of the counties and cities we're going to nail. Suggestions re: other targets welcome :). But we can't stretch ourselves too thin; even armed with a beefed-up Public Records Act, we'll be on a time crunch from hell.

    Folks: remember I said Arnold *listens*?

    THIS is how we give him something to listen to.

    Something loud.

    I'll cross-post a link here to Cal-Guns, the CA-F mailing list plus I'll have my own site's rebuild finished tonight with this all over it.

    ALMOST FORGOT: need at least two (pref. more!) volunteers with Spanish as their first language, still fluent Spanish speakers, pref. Mexican origin folks. These guys are going to take the lists of permitholder names and work on "Latino name analysis" - we know the state is about 40% or so Hispanic, let's see if the permitholder rosters come anywhere close. Yes, it's a big job - there's 45k permitholders :). Volunteers will sign non-disclosure agreements for these lists and be known to the gunnie online community beforehand.
     
  2. Jim March

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    Another point: CRPA is working on a competing plan!

    Jim again.

    I've been asked if they're trying to "steal my thunder".

    I think not. To me, this looks like somebody is trying to steal from the LCAV playbook: put in local gun-related ordinances in multiple local areas and then "roll that downhill" to Sacramento. That's how they pushed "junk guns", "assault rifles", this year's ammo registration attempt and AB50 (50BMG ban).

    Their plan was developed in complete isolation from the CCRKBA/SAF plan, in development for a while by myself, Alan Gottlieb, etc.

    My take: CRPA's thing probably won't work on it's own except in a few fairly rural areas, but with CCRKBA/SAF and myself out doing "proctological PRARs" all over the state, it's possible that some agencies will "roll over into shall issue" *instead* of having to face the level of scrutiny I can throw at them under the new supercharged nitrous-injected Public Records Act coming this Nov. 3rd (prop59).

    Chuck Michel has probably guessed what I intend to do with Prop59, and may have been factoring in this "good cop, bad cop" effect.

    If so, knowing where I plan to dig, he's welcome to approach those counties with his plan to avoid legal issues when I sue for triple attorney's fees and damages for violations of constitutional rights when sheriffs like Lou Blanas in Sacramento, Laurie Smith in Santa Clara and others get stubborn about CCW data release because they've got an entire crypt's worth of skeletons in the paperwork. I figure he'll be doing well if he succeeds with maybe 3 or 4 and yes, I'll gladly back off on the "PRAR WARS" in such cases.

    :evil:

    That issue aside, Chuck will get his best results (if any) in the Central Valley areas like Kern/Kings counties, Stanislaus maybe, some others. He might be able to tilt some that have Democrat legislators in Sacramento, which would be a big help. Odds are worst in the SF Bay Area and urban SoCal :(.
     
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    Jim, could you clarify exactly what you would want volunteers to do? Go to the local agency and dig-up the CCW records?

    Sawdust
     
  4. Jim March

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    Nope :).

    Because that's connected with the redacted parts of the gameplan...which they'll get in EMail and which needs to stay out of enemy sight.

    Trust me: it's a doozy :).

    If you're known among gunnies and want to check it out ahead of time, and can promise to keep it quiet, cool.

    Guaranteed: it ain't illegal.
     
  5. Sawdust

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    Gotcha, Jim.

    Thanks for all of your efforts to free us from our chains.

    PM sent.

    Sawdust
     
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    Jim - I'm reading your redacted version now. But I don't need to get to the end to volunteer! :) Go ahead and sign me up. Send me the whole enchilada at joliver@john-oliver.net
     
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    count me in Jim

    I've been camping in NV for most of the last month and a half,it's so great to be there and breathe free air. but I am willing to volunteer to help out (seriously considering moving),e-mail or PM me.
    One thing though,I sent Arnie a letter telling him "he should join the Dems"
    and other choice barbs when he signed that stinking AB50, I also said all my time & money will be going to the NRA not RNC from now on-will this preclude me from volunteering?
    I know you and NRA disagree on some stuff but it doesn't matter to me,you allways treated me like a pal and will be glad to help in anyway possible
     
  8. Jim March

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    GS and the rest: you have EMail. There's a really neat dirty trick we can pull...
     
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    Contact me if you need anything from Kern County.
     
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    I'm in Alameda County, and I'd like to see what's going on...
     
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    El Rojo: we won't need to mess with Kern. We'll get the permitholder roster off of DOJ and use that to do "Latino analysis". Nothing else in Kern is of much interest. There's minor issues but we're after bigger fish :).

    Sharpie: drop me Email @ jmarch@prodigy.net

    All: I just freed up some more PM Inbox space, but EMail is preferred :).

    Thanks!
     
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    If I was still in Davis, I would help.

    But I currently have a CCW in Arizona.

    Good luck, guys, really!
     
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    Jim,
    I'm in Fresno county. My health won't let me do alot but i'll do what i can to help.

    Let me know what i can do to help out.
     
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    thanks a lot Jim.

    atek3
     
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    Jim,
    You have mail.
     
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    Jim, let me know what I can do on the Sacramento side. Unfortunately I don't speak Spanish, live w/in the city proper or unincorporated area anymore but anything I can do to put the screws to Blanas :evil: I'm right there.

    Dave
     
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    We're not going to do Fresno either, except the standard last-name analysis and that's out of the DOJ's data versus a Fresno PRAR. Thanks anyways :).

    DGoodale: can you please EMail me with your city and county? Atek3: please do the same if you're still in-state?

    Thanks!
     
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    Do you need volunteers from those counties because they live there? Or is this something you can do by traveling and helping in those counties?
     
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    NM after I took a shower I didnt understand what I wrote.
     
  20. Jim March

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    Living there would be better. Let's just leave it at that.
     
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    Some traffic from the CA-Firearms mailing list:

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    donb.civil@verizon.net wrote:

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    >>Seriously? Do you think there's a chance of rolling back
    >>some laws?
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    >>It would be cool...
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    >> Don



    I think legislatively-obtained CCW is possible next year. Long shot, but possible.

    Here's how it stacks up:

    1) Arnold will listen...and quite possibly support it.

    2) Kerry is going to crash'n'burn this year. Let's assume for a second that happens, and that as with 2000, the Dem/GOP states align very closely with shall-issue states. We put out the word that in those 36 states with good carry laws (either shall-issue or "Vermont"), it's not possible to push gun-grabbing as an agenda. Due to how numerous those are, it's no longer possible for a hardcore grabber to take the White House. Which means the national Dem strategists are going to be even MORE vocal than they were last time that gun-grabbing is a stupid gameplan for the Dems.

    3) Most of the worst sheriffs screwing up in CCW permits are NOT Democrats. They're Republicans. Yup. Blanas, Baca, Rupf, Plummer, Smith, many more. They're RINOs every one.

    4) Now picture the Sacramento Dem contingent saying "we really hate doing this, but the level of screwups in CCW among the GOP sheriffs has forced our hands into a shall-issue direction".

    5) This can't work without the help of the most powerful Dem in Sacramento, the head of the Senate, Don Perata. Which means we're hosed, right? Ehhh...maybe not :) .

    5A) Perata hasn't sponsored a new gun bill of any consequence in some time. Mellowed? Maybe. Or maybe he knows we'd read out his "good cause" statement on his CCW app...the one that made Drudge:

    http://www.equalccw.com/donperata.gif

    5B) So he hates us and won't talk to us, right? Ehhhh...except, Perata sponsored two bills last year involving electronic voting reform that were pretty good. A member of the Board of Directors of a voting reform/education foundation, Black Box Voting (blackboxvoting.org) spoke in favor of those bills...and wrote a multi-page briefing paper on them in support for the Governor's office. That BoD member would be...well...me :) . Yup. I'm as deep-up-to-my-neck in electronic voting reform as I am guns :) . Which means I had near-daily contact with Perata's staff, something no other gunnie has. The Perata voting reform bills were pretty good...nothing bad in 'em, though we need to do some more next year, they're a start. For that matter, I've now got Bill Lockyer as a co-plaintiff against Diebold Election Systems and I'm probably going to have a bankroll up past a million bucks by the end of the year, see also: http://www.dailycal.org/article.php?id=16031

    (Hint: Diebold is NOT going to want to do discovery - they'll settle first as they've already hinted to the LA Times the moment Lockyer joined the suit less than a month ago. I get about 6.5% of any settlement as a whistleblower plaintiff; settlement could run anywhere between $20mil and $90mil. You wanna talk "credibility at the capitol"? <GRRRRIN!>)

    5C) What else do we tell Perata? And Arnold too for that matter? The same bill that reforms CCW also needs to seal the permitholder lists from public scrutiny, meaning celebrities such as them, Sean Penn and whatever won't need to fear being "outed as gunnies" under the Public Records Act. See, the California Supreme Court opened the records BECAUSE of the possibility for abuse. Eliminate the abuse, eliminate the need for public oversight. Anybody wrongfully denied can then sue just on that basis and win, if the shall-issue law is written well enough. So Perata could get his CCW back without fearing being labeled a hypocrit. Arnold will realize that this benefits celebs of all sorts, in and out of gov't. Jay Leno will love it...yes, he's a gunnie, he turned down CCW because it was public record...God only knows how many others.

    Upshot: we don't want Perata to actually sponsor the bill...just quietly support it while joining in the scorn to be heaped on some nasty GOP sheriffs who we all know have it coming in spades!!! They also help turn around the Democratic party's national image on guns in time for 2008, which people at the national level will be screaming for after the debacle coming this November.

    Yes, there's some "ifs" here but...not THAT many.

    We're gonna win this one.
     
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    Das Pferd: they're not keeping track of denial data well AT ALL.

    I agree there's a weakness in the racial correlations, but when it's THAT far off...

    Fresno County, 1995: 2500ish permits out, 3% of which are Latino in a county that's 44% Latino by census data.

    You almost never see data that's THAT far off.

    Another way to analyze it is by population trends:

    http://www.equalccw.com/ccwdata.html

    The third "racism trace" found so far is in cases where sheriffs limit permit issuance in certain towns within their own county which have high minority populations. This is documented in Contra Costa, suspected elsewhere.
     
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    Jim,
    If I read you right, you're looking for applicants from your hot list areas?
    If not, what kinda time/effort are you looking for?
    I'm in Sheriff contracted OC if I can help.
     
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    You're reading it right.

    You can't do much.

    I'll shut up now :).
     
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    but I am not moving....

    Makes me almost wish i still lived in San Mateo.

    Almost.

    Good Luck, Jim!
    C-
     
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