FL Concealed and Open Carry Reform - Senate Bill 234 Filed Today

[Tony_the_tiger]

Stogie, I think you are misinformed regarding Florida law.

Any one who can legally own a firearm can legally have that firearm securely encased, whether locked or unlocked, whether loaded or unloaded, in the vehicle.

That is the law, and I have a copy of it sitting in front of me.

Anything beyond what I have posted above is irrelevant.

 

[StogieC]

The Florida Court of Appeals for the Third District, the NRA, the Florida Legislature, the Florida Carry legal dept. and I will reconsider...

Nope, still a problem.

You are conflating two distinct but related issues.

Yes, you can legally have a firearm in your glovebox under current law.

An operator of a parking lot can prohibit you from parking in their lot and trespass you from the property just because you have a legally possessed firearm stored in your car legally under current law.

SB 234 fixes that for licensees.

Please read the exact language of this part of the bill:
"(b) A person licensed under this section shall not be prohibited from carrying or storing a firearm in a vehicle for lawful purposes."

this is MUCH stronger than the current law:
"790.25(5) POSSESSION IN PRIVATE CONVEYANCE.—Notwithstanding subsection (2), it is lawful and is not a violation of s. 790.01 for a person 18 years of age or older to possess a concealed firearm or other weapon for self-defense or other lawful purpose within the interior of a private conveyance, without a license, if the firearm or other weapon is securely encased or is otherwise not readily accessible for immediate use. Nothing herein contained prohibits the carrying of a legal firearm other than a handgun anywhere in a private conveyance when such firearm is being carried for a lawful use. Nothing herein contained shall be construed to authorize the carrying of a concealed firearm or other weapon on the person. This subsection shall be liberally construed in favor of the lawful use, ownership, and possession of firearms and other weapons, including lawful self-defense as provided in s. 776.012."

 

[Tony_the_tiger]

I see the difference in wording now.

Hey Stogie, could you post the section about college campus?

Thx, -T

 

[StogieC]

I'll post that as soon as the House version of the bill is published. (soon).

 

[wtjBatman]

Licensed college campus carry? Interesting. We have an open carry law here in MN but all the colleges (of which I am attending two this semester) prohibit carrying on school property. Aside from the parking lot of course.

 

[pikid89]

Limits a prohibition on carrying a concealed weapon or firearm into an elementary or secondary school facility, career center, or college or university facility to include only a public elementary or secondary school facility or administration building, etc.

what does the

to include only a public elementary or secondary school facility or administration building, etc

mean in layman's terms

 

[AWorthyOpponent]

Limits a prohibition on carrying a concealed weapon or firearm into an elementary or secondary school facility, career center, or college or university facility to include only a public elementary or secondary school facility or administration building, etc.

what does the

to include only a public elementary or secondary school facility or administration building, etc

mean in layman's terms

I assume it means that the current law prohibits carry in elementary or secondary school facilities, career centers, or colleges or university facilities. However the bill would change to only prohibit carry in elementary or secondary schools, and administration buildings. So you could carry on a college campus, however, you still couldn't carry on an elementary, middle, or high school campus.

The upside, is that it sounds like you will be able to carry in your vehicle on those campuses, as the vehicle portion cannot be restricted.

I personally hope the open carry portion goes through. Not sure that I will OC much, however it is nice to have the option.

 

[calvin13]

Anybody have information about today? I know what I read. I just need clarification.

03/14/2011 Senate • CS by Criminal Justice; YEAS 3 NAYS 2

CS by Criminal Justice on March 14, 2011: Deleted revisions to the definitions of places a person may not carry a firearm, concealed or openly, thereby restoring current law.

 

[StogieC]

The bill passed the first of three committee stops in the Florida senate. Campus carry is dead but Open Carry by CWFL holders is still the main component of the bill.

 

[pikid89]

As a student at the University of Florida, the loss of campus carry really burns me
my heart goes out to the family of the FSU girl that was killed, but in reality, she was killed by a drunk frat rat off campus with a hunting rifle...it has nothing to do with lawful licensed carry on campuses

 

[StogieC]

we will hit them again next year on campus carry.