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Florida gun laws about to change

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by armedpolak, Aug 9, 2006.

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  1. armedpolak

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    So are Florida gun laws about to change? Or do you guys think they should stick around?

    For all you FL residents, how do you feel? What is the attitude after almost 20 years of "shall issue" CCW and decreasing crimerates? Are there libs screaming for gun conviscations?

    I'm planing to move down there from NYC, and I would hate to have the laws change week after I move in to my new home :eek:
     
  2. Jkwas

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    I doubt anything will change, if anything, the laws regarding ccw will only become less restrictive. People here have come to accept it as part of everyday life. It's great!
     
  3. joab

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    We just hit our record breaking 37th murder yesterday and I still have not heard any anti propaganda about guns being the cause.

    Our gun laws are definitely easing up over the past few years, but I do wonder what a new administration will do with that trend
     
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    joab, look at the murder locations. Parramore and Pine Hills count for about90%. Joe
     
  5. AirForceShooter

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    depends on where in Florida you're moving. I moved here from NYC and found out just how big this place is.
    If you're looking at Dade, West Palm area you might as well stay in NYC.
    If you're coming to the west coast you're good to go. If you're going to the panhandle it's redneck land ( that's meant in a good way).

    No politician is going to try to change any gun laws except the one's from around Miami. And that's just to keep the former NYer's happy.

    Just take your time buying. Prices are falling.

    AFS
     
  6. Billy_H

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    If I were to comment on any change in the future it would be about for the better. A lot has been happening recently to make the state even more firearm friendly. :D
     
  7. dimitri

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    Always be vigilant.

    There are three Floridas; very "liberal" south Florida where the media shows a high anti-gun bias and the police use the excuse of "many gangs" to search randomly vehicles, central Florida, which happens to have the most gun ranges but it also has the Disney mentality "guns scare tourists", and ultra-conservative west Florida which has the most CCW permits per capita. Even here the media is anti-gun biased; two recent (in the last 5 days) reports on the only local TV station, channel 3, show that.
    One local gun club (Escambia River Muzzle Loaders) wants to move the gun range further north in Escambia Co. close to a small town called Century. Channel 3 concentrated on 2 Century residents who oppose the noise a gun range would bring. Never asked the local shops (who are in favor of the range) how they feel, or mentioned that 22% of the ERML members live in the north part of the county. Never mentioned that ERML held three drives in the last 24 months (state-side depandants of overseas military, food for hurricane displaced disabled war veterants in Pascagoula (MS), and toys for "Kathreena's littlest victims".
    In a second report; the evening after a gun show closed in Pensacola channel 3 reported that the police in Destin were called by patrons of a local motel when they noticed an SUV full of guns (the fact that the guns were in the manufacturers' boxes and many had plastic ties around the action did not seem to be important) so the news implied (never actually said it) that this could have been some kind of illegal gun dealing.
    The present governor and attorney general have been very pro-guns; who knows who will be elected in November.
     
  8. tegemu

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    I live in No. East Fla, right near Jacksonville. Gun laws are very much alive and well here. If anything, I forsee more laws to the better. In the last couple of weeks, our Governor, Jeb Bush, publically stated that a contributing factor to the strong drop in violent crime in Fla, ( Down somewhere near 30%)was the law abiding citizens carrying firearms, or words to that effect.
     
  9. bamawrx

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    Not to steal the thread, but I hope they do move the gun club as it will be much closer to me. :D

    Not that it will matter soon as work is starting on my own private range.

    Yes Florida is great gun wise. Only thing better about FL than my AL is they allow SBR's and the CCW permit is also better too.
     
  10. Glock_10mm

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    The laws have gotten better in the past few years with the "shoot first ask questions later policy" recently adopted for self defense. Basically if you feel threatenedyou have cart blanche to defend yourself, your property, others, or even your car! Good luck finding that in any other state. I know Florida was a test pilot for the program to become a multi state policy. Florida seems to be giving more rights to the CCW'ers and less to the criminals...I love it!

    PS - Dimitri doesnt have it completely right but the trend is similar. The rules of the "Liberal" south florida mostly apply in the big cities like Ft Lauderdale and Miami city limits, but not in the small ones like mine or the counties from my knoweledge. It varies at the city level. Also, there are plenty of ranges down here, Markham Park being a prime outdoor example with a trap gauntlet in Davie, and most ranges I've been to have full auto and suppressed weapons for rent. Though there are deffinately more ranges in Orlando! I've lived in Jacksonville NEFL, Orlando CEFL, and Boca Raton SEFL, and everywhere I've been has been gun friendly and I havn't had a problem.
     
  11. 10MMGary

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    Glock 10MM wrote; :uhoh:
    I hope no one is taking this statement with any seriousness. This would be a costly mistake and will land one in jail for a long long time:banghead: . There is no such law as "Shoot first ask later" The recent law past doen't allow anything of the sort. Our gun laws are better than most but still impede the individuals
    2nd amendment rights.
     
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    I doubt anything will change. The attorney general, Charlie Crist, is campaigning for govenor and he has campaigned at several gun shows. Based on his past elections, I would say he is most likely going to win.
     
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    I believe its 5 new pro gun laws go into effect in October. We are on a roll.
     
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    Good luck finding that in this state.
    Please research the law before you start spreading the anti-gunners propaganda for them

    The new law changed nothing but the requirement that you show that you had no retreat.
    You still have to show that you had no other choice than to shoot, if it can be proved that you could have retreated easier than shooting then the law will not work for you
     
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    joab, I disagree with your interpretation of the new law.
    The new law states clearly that a person: has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

    Whether or not you could have retreated without using force is irrelevant under the new law, as you are no longer obligated to try.
     
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    All television/print media in this state is full of stupidity and anti-gun bias (except, technically speaking, the Florida Gun News mini-magazine). It's just how the media is these days. Stupidity is rampant everywhere, as it has always been since the dawn of Man. The good news is that the News doesn't seem to be preventing our laws from changing for the (marginally) better.
     
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    Flordia is still considered a swing state. In that half the voter vote for one major party or the other. The heavly populated areas are more traditional Democrat, while the more rural areas are conservative. I have some relatives that live in the western and Orlando area, and they are all transplants from the NE. They are old fashion Democrat to the bone, and so are their childern who now live in the state. They said their areas are becoming more Democrat. Counties are becoming more purple do the recent imports from the Northeast and Mid-Alantic states. The state could easily be solid Democrat again in ten years.
     
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    You may not have a duty to retreat but you still must be in fear for your life or that of another.

    The new laws did nothing to change the requirement that it must be reasonable and necessary to shoot your assailant.

    You don't have to retreat but you still must use only that force reasonably necessary to defend yourself. You can still only use deadly force to defeat an attack that is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to yourself or another.
     
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    This is from a well credentialed law professor, Anthony Sebok, ho although adamantly against the law still understands that it is not a shoot first ask questions later kill with total impunity law
    And if you have a reasonable avenue of retreat the use of deadly force may be found to be unreasonable.
    While you have no duty to retreat that does not necessarily mean that you can be excused for not taking advantage of a reasonable escape route
     
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    I still disagree with you. I understand your perspective though.
    That professor's legal opinion does not appear to be how the law is being applied.
    On a side note, here's article from the Florida Times-Union about the effects of the new law. It's nice to see a press report that doesn't blatantly paint it as being an utter disaster.
    http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/071006/met_22294481.shtml
     
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    I have yet to see a breakdown on the 37+ murders,

    Were 37 innocent prople killed? Was it gang related, was it criminal-on-criminal crime?

    The stats can be skewed to fit an agenda. Kind of like the Brady Bunch considering anyone under the age of 19 to be a "child" when they talk about all the "children" being killed by guns.
     
  22. Jkwas

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    almost all the gun violence I see on our local news is gang vs gang, and in certain areas that are prone to it. Lake Worth and West Palm Beach primarily.
     
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    Don't forget Riviera Beach
     
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    Like has been said before in this thread, the big cities like Miami and Fort Lauderdale are probably most liberal however there are still a lot of us "Florida Crackers" that haven't gone anywhere and we all remember the good ole days when most of it down here was "redneck territory" and full of swamps.
    I live west of West Palm Beach and I believe most of us are still pretty conservative and gun-toters.
    We have pretty good gun laws down here but it seems like all of our outdoor gun ranges are gone thanks to the rapidly growing population.
    I don't see any bad changes on the horizon in Florida.
     
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    cbsbyte

    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/FL/P/00/map.html

    This is the breakdown on Florida for the last Presidential election. Note that the only areas that went for Skerry were the Leon county area,(where FSU is located), Alachua County (UF is there), and that strip full of transplanted yankees on the south East coast, IE, Volusia, Palm Beach and Broward Counties, and of course, South America, IE Dade County.
    Bush pulled 52% of the total vote, and Skerry got 47%. (Nader took the other 1%).
    For this to happen, means that virtually everyone in Florida, not living in those few Dem strongholds, voted for the GOP.
    The governor and both houses of the legislator are controlled by the GOP. Hardly a 'swing state', with the outcome in doubt.
     
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