Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Florida SB 436 protested as "racist"

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Preacherman, May 31, 2005.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Preacherman

    Preacherman Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2002
    Messages:
    13,309
    Location:
    Louisiana, USA
    I utterly fail to see anything logical or concrete in these protesters' comments. SB 436 simply provides for the legal use of lethal force against intruders in your home or on your property. There is no racial element in it whatsoever - unless these protesters are saying (indirectly) that more intruders are likely to be of a particular race, and therefore might be more prone to the consequences of their illegal actions. I wonder if they'd admit to that, if I asked them? :scrutiny:


    From the Pensacola News Journal (http://www.pensacolanewsjournal.com/news/html/144D9EC2-3924-4D1C-AC87-78265BA4E16C.shtml):

    Crowd protests deadly force law

    Critics: Bill can be easily misinterpreted

    May 31, 2005

    Nicole Lozare@PensacolaNewsJournal.com

    Throughout Pensacola, barbecue grills were heating up on Monday afternoon -- a Memorial Day tradition.

    But underneath the canopy of downtown trees, and near the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. bust on the Palafox Street median, about 100 people softly sang hymns about a time when black people were oppressed.

    And that, the impromptu singers believe, continues today.

    Instead of slavery, the chains now come in the form of laws that are a threat to the black community, said a number of speakers at the two-hour rally Monday.

    The issue: Florida Senate Bill 436, signed last month by Gov. Jeb Bush. It guarantees that people aren't prosecuted for using deadly force against intruders on their property.

    The bill, filed by Sen. Durell Peaden, R-Crestview, was inspired by James Workman, a local man who killed an intruder in his southwest Escambia County home in the early hours of Nov. 3. No charges were filed against Workman.

    But critics say that the bill just gives people a license to kill that can easily be abused or misinterpreted.

    "What about all those people who perpetuate hate and who will use this as an act of aggression?" said the Rev. Hugh King, president of the Pensacola chapter of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the organization that conducted the event.

    "We live in some scary times right now," said Susan Watson, president of the local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union. Watson, who is white, rhetorically asked the crowd if they believe that the law would be applied equally to her and to a black man.

    Many in the crowd shook their heads; others yelled out, "No!"

    "It got passed because we didn't do anything about it. It's our fault," she said. "We have to do something about it."

    Chicago Alderman Dorothy Tillman, formerly of Pensacola, said the law will "lead to open war on black males."

    "It's almost a way to eliminate people. Black men will be under the ground more than ever."

    Tillman, a former staffer for King, was not on the list of speakers but was invited to the stage. She later led the crowd in singing the hymns.

    Annie Winn, 62, brought her 5- and 11-year-old great-grandchildren to listen to the speakers.

    "A lot of people are going to be killed," she said. "We need to protest and try to change this law -- it's just crazy."

    At the end of the rally, Charles Steele, the national leader of the SCLC, charged the crowd to protest the law. Steele then led the crowd in a march down Palafox.

    "The people united will never be defeated," they chanted.
     
  2. dasmi

    dasmi Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2005
    Messages:
    2,781
    Location:
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Er, why is that? Are you saying black men commit more violent crime? Cause that's what it sounds like.
     
  3. svtruth

    svtruth Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2005
    Messages:
    1,689
    Location:
    Bradford, VT
    Racism

    And if that's what they meant, isn't that racist?
     
  4. dasmi

    dasmi Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2005
    Messages:
    2,781
    Location:
    Colorado Springs, CO
    I sure think so.
    But, what they really mean is us evil, rich whitemen will use it as an excuse to blast poor black men.
     
  5. El Tejon

    El Tejon Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    18,083
    Location:
    Lafayette, Indiana-the Ned Flanders neighbor to Il
    Projection again by the anti-gunners.
     
  6. Gray Peterson

    Gray Peterson Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,548
    Location:
    Lynnwood, Washington
    Dorothy "The Hat" Tillman. The same Dorothy who waved a gun around at the city alderman meeting in Chicago, and was never charged?
     
  7. Mr. X

    Mr. X member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2005
    Messages:
    137
    If more black men are found inside the homes of persons who didn't invite them in, then I guess the law MIGHT be racist, but it's too bad that such a situation represents a criminal act and a threat to the property owner. :rolleyes:
     
  8. makanut

    makanut Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2004
    Messages:
    122
    Wow. Once again, I just don't know where to start. Apparently, these "Civil Rights Groups" are running out of stuff to do. So if I shoot someone with my Glock breaking into my 10 year-old daughter's bedroom window, and the perp happens to be black, I'm a racist. However, if the perp happens to be white, that makes everything ok. Now I understand the logic.

    The whole purpose of using deadly force would be to prevent my 10 year old daughter from being raped, sodomized, and then having her throat cut. But according to the American Communist Party (AKA the Democrats), the motivation behind this use of force is racism, pure and simple. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK DEMOCRATS!!!!! Oh yeah, I almost forgot, RUN HILLARY RUN!!!
     
  9. gc70

    gc70 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2004
    Messages:
    2,980
    Location:
    North Carolina
    This is where the tortured dialogue on discrimination has brought us. The definition of discrimination has been moved beyond disparate treatment (treating different people in different ways) into the realm of disparate results (looking at whether there is a difference in results).

    Since the new Florida law does not mention race, I guess these people believe the law will have disparate results. Of course that would mean that proportionately more blacks would have to be shot as home intruders than whites. Reaching that conclusion suggests that the protesters believe:
    1. Proportionately more blacks are home intruders than whites, or;
    2. Homeowners will choose to shoot black home intruders proportionately more often than white home intruders.
    <sarcasm>
    The protesters obviously believe that #2 will be the case, since they couldn't possibly be defending #1.
    </sarcasm>
     
  10. fletcher

    fletcher Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2004
    Messages:
    2,559
    Location:
    TX
    Are they calling themselves thieves?

    Pffff. Only if they attack people.
     
  11. jefnvk

    jefnvk Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2004
    Messages:
    4,938
    Location:
    The Copper Country, Michigan
    They are racist for not supporting this. I would think that if a black person would be charged for shooting an invader, where they may look the other way for a white person (as the people imply that blacks are charged where a white wouldn't be), this now puts both homeowners on equal grounds. Neither can be prosecuted.

    They are the ones supporting the opression.
     
  12. Don Gwinn

    Don Gwinn Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    6,385
    Location:
    Virden, IL
    Dorothy Tillman might be the craziest person (currently) on the Chicago City Council. That's no small thing.
     
  13. El Tejon

    El Tejon Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    18,083
    Location:
    Lafayette, Indiana-the Ned Flanders neighbor to Il
    Don, you are saying The Hat is crazy for only carrying a .38, right? :D
     
  14. thebucket

    thebucket Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2005
    Messages:
    178
    I think the real problem here is the new definition of "racism". "Racism" means that something bad happens to a member of a minority, regardless of whether a majority member suffers the same or worse. In this case, black people may die. Therefore it is "racist". Even if 10 or a 100 times more white people died because of the law, it would still be racist to black people, because black people died as a result. Also, the minority member is never at fault for his/her own actions. It's assumed the minority member can do as he/she pleases and shouldn't suffer any consequences for it. When consequences are incurred, it is "racism" at work. Even if white people suffer the exact same consequences. :barf: :barf: :barf: :fire: :fire: :fire:
     
  15. Cliff

    Cliff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    387
    Location:
    Northern Virginia
    I wonder how much racist BS that idiot bunch will yell if someone attacks one of them on the street,and they will not be able to defend themselves. Look, I'M BLACK,and I WISH we had a similar proactive law here in Maryland. But this group will then call for more police to patrol around their community,and then yell racist again because they either will see too many cops bothering all black men,or they don't see a cop on every street corner 24 hours a day.

    Comments like this from someone like Tillman is about as asinine,and plain stupid as a person can get. Damn near as stupid as the comment by D.C. delagate Eleanor Holmes Norton regarding legislation to repel the DC gun bill.
    And I quote,"They're trying to see to it that more children get killed,".

    :banghead: :fire: :cuss: :scrutiny: :barf:

    Sorry folks, my little rant is now off..
     
  16. dasmi

    dasmi Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2005
    Messages:
    2,781
    Location:
    Colorado Springs, CO
    Of course, gun owners hate children. We revel in their demise. We eat them for breakfast. Didn't you know?
     
  17. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    14,613
    Location:
    Texas
    Then the problem isn't the law, is it?
     
  18. dasmi

    dasmi Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2005
    Messages:
    2,781
    Location:
    Colorado Springs, CO
  19. El Tejon

    El Tejon Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    18,083
    Location:
    Lafayette, Indiana-the Ned Flanders neighbor to Il
    "Racism"=smokescreen for socialistic plans and operations. :D
     
  20. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    24,041
    Location:
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    Should we tell the race card players they're late, or wait for them to figure it out on their own?
     
  21. Randy in Arizona

    Randy in Arizona Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2003
    Messages:
    418
    Location:
    East of the Democratic People's Republic of Tucson
    It would be a waste of time - - -

    The problem is that race card players are not playing with a full deck in the first place.
    And as for waiting for them to figure it out on their own, you attribute to them mental capabilities many orders of magnitude greater than those they possess.
    :fire: :cuss: :banghead:
     
  22. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    24,041
    Location:
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    I stand corrected.
     
  23. Atticus

    Atticus Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    2,794
    Location:
    Ohio
    This attitude is widespread, and the reason is obvious. YES - more black (and white) males will likely die if they encounter an armed victim during the commission of a crime. The majority of urban black "leaders" overwhelmingly fought against concealed carry laws as well. Missouri is a prime example. Civil rights leaders in both St. Louis and KC rallied against the CC law.
     
  24. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    24,041
    Location:
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    They're not civil rights leaders. They might be called "leaders" in some other sense, but they're standing squarely in the way of the nation's civil rights.
     
  25. Glock Glockler

    Glock Glockler Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    1,279
    Location:
    Southern NH
    "Racism"=smokescreen for socialistic plans and operations.

    Tejon, I know some who call those of us that don't like illegal immigration racists, you should tell them the error of their ways;)
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page