Florida State Rifle = Krag ?

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Anyone interested in joining me in advocating for Florida to adopt the US Model 1892 Krag as its official state rifle?

I think a strong case can be made that Florida has had a special historical relationship with this handsome-looking rifle. More importantly, designating the Krag as the state rifle can support several important educational goals that are unique to Florida.

Although the Krag only served with the US Army for a few years, it welded together the histories of Florida, Cuba, and Puerto Rico. For example, during the Spanish-American War, when Teddy Roosevelt’s Rough Riders camped in Tampa and then embarked to liberate Cuba, they carried Krags. They carried those Krags during their famous Charge on San Juan Hill and then throughout follow-on actions across the island.

Some historians maintain that the Spanish-American War helped heal the lingering north-south divide that followed the US Civil War, and here, too, the Krag played a role. The soldiers who sojourned in Florida then fought together in Cuba were drawn from all parts of the US, with Northerners and Southerners serving side-by-side as brothers in arms, and most carrying Krags.

In addition, the Krag-armed post-war occupation forces in Cuba included the Black Ninth Infantry Regiment, a testament to the long and honorable military service performed by Blacks while seeking full recognition of their civil rights.

The Krag’s part in the Spanish American War should be sufficient reason to designate it the state firearm, as that war was the first one in which the State of Florida played a major role.

However, the Krag can also be used to support a number of other important teaching points when in Florida and US history classes.

For example, as Krag-carrying soldiers advanced across Cuba, fast boats carried dispatches from Cuba to Key West so they could be quickly telegraphed to Washington DC. This can be used to illustrate the rapid evolution of transportation and communications technology in the US at the turn of the century. It can also help demonstrate the value of Florida’s infrastructure to its participation in international affairs.

Krags were also used by US troops farther overseas, most notably in the Philippines. While the US role in the Far East at the turn of the century remains controversial, the Krag can be used as a starting point to explore the debates of that time regarding the wisdom of an expanded US role in global affairs and the morality of colonial possessions. Despite the cry to “Civilize ‘em with a Krag,” our nation should take pride in the fact that we promised independence to Cuba and the Philippines, and we ultimately honored those promises.

And finally, it must be admitted that the rifle was not a perfect military arm. The smokeless-powder Mausers and Spitzer bullets used by the Spanish were far superior, and those Spanish guns forced US troops to quickly improvise more flexible tactics and demand better weapons (ultimately resulting in the famous Model 1903 Springfield). Thus, any students who might study this aspect of the Krag’s history could also learn something about the value of technological superiority and sound military tactics. (I admit few teachers would want to pursue this subject, but any students who looked into it would be better prepared for future discussions on national security.)

So, how about it? Will you support an effort to designate the Krag as the State Firearm of Florida? It will cost nothing, it can teach something, and it could be fun! And the Krag's older, classical looks won’t draw “evil assault gun” criticisms.
 
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You make a good argument for FL to adopt the Krag because of the historical relationship with the state. Another argument is that only 7 states currently have "state firearms" (TN, AZ, AK, PA, UT, IN, WV) and FL would be amongst the first few.
 
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I want all good Floridians to be able to have a rifle.

I am against cluttering up the legislature, the law books and what have you with yet another "State Anything"

Further if there is to be a State Rifle, let it be something the average person can find and afford.

I grew up in the pan handle (used to tell folks I was from LA meaning Lower Alabama or from Baja Georgia) and now live around G'ville and have seen darned few Krags in the field, on ranges, or even on the wall.

-kBob
 
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"The smokeless-powder Mausers and Spitzer bullets used by the Spanish were far superior..."


"In 1913 the ordnance authorities of the Kingdom of Spain issued a redesigned 7×57mm Mauser cartridge (7mm Cartucho para Mauser Tipo S).[5] It was loaded with a 9 grams (138.9 gr) spitzer bullet fired at a muzzle velocity of 850 m/s (2,789 ft/s) with 3,251 J (2,398 ft·lbf) muzzle energy from a 589 mm (23.2 in) long barrel. It had a maximum range of 3,700 m (4,046 yd).[6]"-----Military WIKI

-----krinko
 
I love guns but love small Gov too. I say less is more, leave it be.

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If Florida needs a state gun something from the Kel Tec line makes more sense.

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Yoda

I agree with Sebastian and X-Rap: the connection of the Krag to the state of Florida is weak at best primarily because they were built by Springfield Armory in Massachusetts (not that they would ever adopt a state rifle). Didn't really have anything to do with Florida history per se, more like they were just passing through on their way to Cuba.

And I like X-Rap's idea of nominating something from the KelTec line-up as they are a Florida gun company and they do have a viable presence in that state in terms of jobs and manufacturing.
 
The smokeless-powder Mausers and Spitzer bullets used by the Spanish were far superior
.30 Caliber Army (aka .30-40 Krag) was always a smokeless cartridge (as was 6mm Navy). It was one of the first cartridges deigned from the ground up to be a smokeless cartridge....

The ammunition was not necessarily better, exterior ballistics wise. The Mauser design was better due to the stripper clip loading. The rimless design would allow for better adaptation to future full automatic designs, but in the Krag the rimmed cartridge was not a hindrance.

(The Mauser is also a simpler design.)
 
Knight Armament over KT.

But really neither. No State Rifle.

Yes, the Spanish of the time used a round nosed bullet......sort of like most everyone in the world then, even the Germans and Brits.

Yes the Krag was never loaded for US service with anything but smokeless.

On the other hand if I was a National Guard Call up kind of guy with a .45-70 Springfield Single Shot of any year model and Black Powder ammo I would have been REAL impressed with the Mauser or even the Krag.

Our legislature only meets a few months a year and they have better things to do than assigning the title State Rifle to anything.

-kBob
 
I don't know about State rifle, but the Krag is one cool rifle. I
don't have one but I shot a lot of them and I really like them.

Zeke
 
The Krag is unique in that it feed through a side magazine. Very cool guns. If Florida gets it, then Missouri needs to have the Hawken as the state rifle. :)
 
I'm also against having a state rifle. I want government out of our lives.

The Krag? Why, because you like them? It was adopted by the US government where it lasted for 9 years. That's not a long run at all.
 
I'm also against having a state rifle. I want government out of our lives.

The Krag? Why, because you like them? It was adopted by the US government where it lasted for 9 years. That's not a long run at all.
Did you read his OP? That's a convincing argument to have the Krag as Florida's. It has a rich history in that local.
 
Im not a fan of state anything. Flower, tree, bird, etc etc. State doesn't need a particular long gun, carbine or handgun, etc imho. Thanks for the history lesson though, did appreciate reading it, but im not on board for your idea sorry.
 
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