FN FS2000 vs PS90 vs Sig 556 vs AR vs Masada

[Girodin]

Ammunition for the PS90 is always going to be rare and expensive compared to .223/5.56x45mm

You are correct about rarity but in quality ammo (not wolf which it seems so many ARs cant shoot) 1000 rds of 5.7x28 can be had for less than 1000 rounds of 5.56.

Now reloading may be a different ball game as it seems that the 5.7 may not be friendly to reloaders.

The PS90 is a very fun gun but its cost is inhibitive for some folks. Not only is it expensive mags are too. Like all guns it has trade offs and excels more in some areas than others.

I beilieve it is not appropriately compaired to ARs etc because they were made for very different roles.

It is a weapon that I find it very easy to put a lot of rounds on target very quickly with. It is not my main HD weapon but I wouldn't feel too bad if all I had was the PS90 with a topped off 50 round magazine.

In many ways it makes more sense to buy an AR before buying the PS90 but I dont think you would ever regret owing the PS90 either.

I would say the best thing to do is clearly lay out what you want/need and what are the priorities and then adress them as funds allow.

 

[Tarvis]

Whats the trigger pull like? Heavy and sloppy? Seems like there isn't a good way to move the trigger forward of the sear without incurring some friction.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Whats the trigger pull like? Heavy and sloppy?

Yep, not real great. Long take up and the break isn't very clean.

Now reloading may be a different ball game as it seems that the 5.7 may not be friendly to reloaders.

Actually it reloads pretty well. There is a coating on the brass that acts as a bit of a lubricant for the SMG and that coating comes off over several tumblings in corn cob media.

I have brass that's on it's 5th reload and it still works fine in my semi. I suspect the heat and speed of the SMG might require this coating more than the semi so it may not matter that it wears away.

Word around the 5.7 forums is that the handgun doesn't care at all, it's just the SMG/carbine that need the coating so if you have the handgun you could still reload easily even if the carbine needs the coating but I think the jury is still out on whether it even matters.

Over time I'm keeping track of it to see what happens but so far it's no biggie.

It's nice to reload financially anyway; small primers, not much powder, and cheap bullets.

 

[Tarvis]

Damnit. The more I think about the PS90 the more I want one. My problem is I won't buy anything unless it's a deal (partly why I got into building AR's) and the closest to a "deal" I've seen was $1600 which is 2 AR's and 40 magazines for me. I think I need to find a used one.

 

[RockyMtnTactical]

Ar15

 

[Tomac]

Damnit. The more I think about the PS90 the more I want one. My problem is I won't buy anything unless it's a deal (partly why I got into building AR's) and the closest to a "deal" I've seen was $1600 which is 2 AR's and 40 magazines for me. I think I need to find a used one.

I just purchased a new PS90 w/the black reticle USG ringsight for my son for a little over $1,600. Sold the ringsight in less than 30minutes for $450 (so price for sightless PS90 was appx $1,200) which was nearly enough to pay for the Aimpoint ML3 & TROS ultralow Aimpoint mount setup he wanted.
Tomac

 

[shep854]

Are we seriously discussing tools, or excuses to buy new toys? While the $1000+++ guns are awesome (and yes, I would like some of them myself), do they go bang any better than the $400-600 sticks? How many of use are really good enough to take advantage of whatever increased absolute accuracy the high-end offerings provide?

In reality, most of us are far better served buying a budget rifle, and investing the rest of the money saved on quality range time. I know that I'm a long way from wringing all the potential out of my SU-16.

 

[Tarvis]

Well, the PS90 isn't all the hype because it's super accurate and can kill a running yak at 1500 yards, it's cool because it holds 50 rounds in a standard mag and is super compact. Besides, it will be one of the first rifles banned, or at least the magazines will be. On top of that it is frickin cool.

STOP TRYING TO KILL MY DREAMS!!!

do they go bang any better than the $400-600 sticks?

As a matter of fact, yes they do.

 

[shep854]

Tarvis, Live the dream, man!!

The PS90 is waaay up there on the cool meter. I saw whatshisface with one on Stargate: SG-12, and it really looks sharp. It is very definitely on my "nice to have/wish I had one" list.

 

[silentpoet]

The reason I want one of the higher end carbines is that I might not be able to get one in the future. I am aware you can do alot with cheaper rifles/carbines, but they are not the end all be all of rifles. Let's face it it we basically have 3 Democrats running for president. Ain't a one of them our friend. So while I will fight any ban, I will do my best to prepare for one as well. I am really hopeful that the coming supreme court decision might be very helpful and make all this talk of bans moot.

As for my choice, it really depends. I know what I want, but am not sure what I can swing. I also have to place it in the context of my overall plans. I mean I would also like to get a saiga 12 and another pistol or two. So I might have to choose say my second choice rifle to get the other stuff.

 

[mr.trooper]

The 17 HMR is intended for squirrels and gophers. No one sells it for self-defense

Taurus makes a snub-nosed revolver in .17 HMR, and American Arms sells their micro-revolvers in it as well.

The 5.7x28 cartridge can push a 55 grain solid copper hollow point at a fair velocity. While its not a battle rifle cartridge by any stretch, its a FAR cry from the 17 grain frangible bullets you see in the .17 HMR.

 

[shep854]

Silentpoet, I am with you. Hopefully, I will be able to pick up some of the guns being discussed. They are WAAAY cool!

That said, of the rifles I own, my "bug out rifle" would have to be my Kel-Tec. If it came to that, I would remove the bolts from my other rifles and hide or discard them, if I could not find a Good Guy to give them to.

 

[Z-Michigan]

Mr. Trooper, yes Taurus does make revolvers in .17 HMR and I think even .17 Mach II. And CDNN has been trying to sell them on clearance for over a year now. If they were a good idea, CDNN would have sold them all a while ago. Out of a snubbie I would put either .17 in the same category as .25 ACP as not very useful.

Anyway, that hardly matters. I think the point has been well made that 5.7x28mm is a lot more effective in a full auto P90 with AP ammo than in single shot mode with semi-neutered politically correct ammo. The angle to put 55gr FMJ in the round is interesting, but it's not offered from the factory, and what I've read about reloading this cartridge scares me off.

 

[mr.trooper]

Reload!

55gr Solid Copper X-bullet would do far more damage than Military AP anyway.

 

[Coronach]

Are we seriously discussing tools, or excuses to buy new toys? While the $1000+++ guns are awesome (and yes, I would like some of them myself), do they go bang any better than the $400-600 sticks?

Depends. Are we talking about your average casual shooter, or someone who seriously trains? For your average joe who hauls his AR out to the range once or twice a year and puts a hundred rounds or so through it, there is virtually no advantage to dropping $1600 on a top-end AR (or whatever) vs going with the used DPMS his buddy just put up for sale. However, when you start going to carbine classes, carrying the rifle on duty, or otherwise dumping 1k rounds in a weekend, multiple weekends per year, the wheat starts to separate from the chaff.

How many of use are really good enough to take advantage of whatever increased absolute accuracy the high-end offerings provide?

For the most part, they don't offer increased accuracy so much as increased durability, modularity and the ability to do nifty things that the base-line AR does not (switch barrels and calibers, fold buttstocks, etc).

In reality, most of us are far better served buying a budget rifle, and investing the rest of the money saved on quality range time.

I don't disagree with this.

Mike

 

[shep854]

Coronach, thanks for that post. You amplified my thoughts perfectly. Are you a mind reader or something?

 

[anapex]

I'm not sure if it was mentioned already (I didn't see it). If you're still thinking about the FS2000 FN is having a promotion where if you buy one before Aug 21 or so you can send in for a free C-more sight.

 

[Coronach]

Coronach, thanks for that post. You amplified my thoughts perfectly. Are you a mind reader or something?

Your lost car keys are beside the fridge, and yes, you really should call your mother. Now do me a favor and think about your credit card number and expiration date.

Mike

 

[shep854]

Well, now I KNOW you're not a mind reader . That's a relief.

 

[BrianB]

That Masada sure looks interesting. Have to wait and see, though.

 

[variablebinary]

FN FS2000 vs PS90 vs Sig 556 vs AR vs Masada

I'd take the AR15 over any of them....

Masada isnt out, and we have no idea when we'll ever see it. It may look cool on Future weapons and in magazines, but few has any idea what the Masada is all about in the real world.

 

[Riktoven]

The Masada, with it's aesthetic similarities to the M-41A Pulse Rifle make it an instant desire.

That said, AUGs are the bee's knees if you don't mind a dirty cheek