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FN Herstal 20+1

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by bluethunder1962, Mar 29, 2012.

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  1. bluethunder1962

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  2. speedway

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    Glorified 22magnum auto-loader. Expensive, and ammo is expensive also.
     
  3. dogtown tom

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    Do a search here on THR for FN "Five Seven".....lotsa threads.
     
  4. HOOfan_1

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    It is called the Five-seveN
     
  5. T.huynh

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    +1. Ammo is about 50 cents a round.

    I'd rather get a Kel-tec PMR.
     
  6. spazzymcgee

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    I found the model that I fired to be extremely akward and unwieldly. Other than that problem, it's ugly, has expensive ammo, and unimpressive ballistics. Get a Kel-tec PMR 30 if you need that much capacity.
     
  7. bluethunder1962

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    Thanks. SOunds like I need to save my money. I will look into the kel tec. I just liked the high mag count.
     
  8. Michael R.

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    Ok. For those of you who say that it is a glorified 22 magnum, it is not. The bullets are pushing 2000 fps from a pistol barrel while the 22 magnum only reaches 1300 fps. The performance of the fn 5.7 round is simply explosive. Look up some threads and you will know what I mean
     
  9. bluethunder1962

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    I like that kel tec. Now if I can find one.
     
  10. Tango57

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    I prefer to think of mine as an m-16 short more than a 22 magnum, thank you very much! :)


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk when i should have been doing something useful
     
  11. LightningMan

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    Oh! Noooo.....here we go again, anytime someone brings up the 5.7 it gets a little heated in here. Get the popcorn ready.
     
  12. Orion8472

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    Well, LightningMan, it is because there is a lot of misinformation surrounding this weapon and the round it shoots. It is hardly "a glorified .22 magnum". Pardon if I offend anyone, . . . but that is ignorance of this round.

    It is an effective round. It does not assume itself to be as powerful as 45acp, 10mm, or some of the big rounds, but who cares!! Get a 45acp if you want a big bullet, but do some hard core research on the 5.7x28 before misrepresenting it. :banghead:

    There needs to be a Smilies of a face stepping off a soap box.
     
  13. gearhead

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    You can also increase the 5.7 to a 30+1 rounder with a relatively short (a little more than 1") mag extension.
     
  14. el Godfather

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    I have this pistol. This is my third fiveseven. Black, Tan and now Green.

    Odd and large, but light.

    It will take some time for this pistol to make place for itself in the market.
     
  15. wow6599

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    It's been available to the public since 2004........how much more time do you think it needs?
     
  16. MachIVshooter

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    They're a bit closer than that. the 27.5 gr. SS195 load gets a touch over 2K from the pistol, but then, actual MV from the PMR 30 with 30 gr. loads averages over 1,500 FPS (1,560 average with CCI "TNT"). 40 grainers are closer to 1,300, but then, the 40 gr. SS197 load only gets 1,750 from the Five-seveN.

    EA does do hotter stuff for 5.7mm, but it's also over $1/shot.

    In summary, no, the 5.7x28 is not just a glorified .22 magnum. But it is still a pipsqeak round, with even the hot EA stuff barely mustering the energy of a standard pressure 9x19mm load. Both the Five-seveN and PMR-30 are pretty much range toys/small game pistols. The big difference is cost: $350 for the PMR and $10/box average ammo cost versus $1,000 for the Five-seveN and average ammo cost of ~$25/box.
     
  17. Prince Yamato

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    It's a pretty impressive gun. You can also run it with a suppressor- something the kel tec cannot do.
     
  18. jackpinesavages

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    It is a sleeper pistol, for the economically impressive.

    I unfortunately "discovered" it when they were still around $700-in the next 3 months of my slowly investigating the prices went to 900, and as you see now are at almost 1100.

    100 rds can be had for about $80 from good wholesale sellers. It shares that ammo. with the PS 90 platform rifles. Not a plinker like the PMR30, but as already mentioned try and FIND a PMR30, and THEN get it to run right!

    http://www.svri.org/minors.pdf

    http://amusinghistorymusings.blogspo...e-croatia.html

    http://www.ask500people.com/question...comment--27034

    http://www.spectrezine.org/content/c...assing-through

    http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Croatia.htm
     
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    Mach, . . . the "pipsqueak" round has still [unfortunately] killed a lot of people. I don't have the documentation at the moment [I can get it, though], but there is evidence showing its effectiveness. From what I have come to understand, it is used a lot in Mexico by the drug cartels, leaving many dead.

    Again, it doesn't pretend to be a large round bullet, but that matters little when it is still effective.

    .22mag I have little knowledge about, so I don't have any idea whether or not it is "just a range toy". True, the Kel-Tec is cheaper, . . . but looks it.
     
  20. timber crasher

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    pocket rifle

    Sent grandpa my super blackhawk as a present,because my zeal for handgun hunting is past.I replaced it with the fiveseven for a utility/carry gun.The accuracy and reliability (yep) rivals my old revolver,though very different calibers.This is an amazing handgun.The "glorified .22 guys" don't have much experience with this caliber I'm afraid.This is the most unique and exciting handgun I've ever shot,but,to each their own. As for gun/ammo cost,if you can't afford fuel for a Corvette,then drive a Toyota!
     
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    The 5.7 round is like most others, it has it's place where it is useful. I myself don't like the round for any of my uses. I had a P90 for 6 months and that was about 5 months and 3 weeks too long, I went back to the 5.56 the first chance I got. But I don't know, it might be more useful in a pistol, if loaded with appropriate ammo it can penetrate armor.
     
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    I suspect that's why the 5.7 hasn't caught on to any significant degree. I think I could count the Five-seveNs I've seen in person on one hand. They just don't sell at all in my area, and I suspect ammo cost is the biggest reason (along with availability). You either have to have a lot of extra disposable income to feed it (the Corvette vs Toyota is a good example, especially if you consider tire costs) or you have to be a reloader. And that further limits it's appeal because, well most of us find crawling on our hands and knees to scrounge puked brass to be a real pain. At least pricey revolver cartridges politely stay in the gun :D.

    So if you can afford it, or if you like crawling in the dirt looking for spent cases, more power to you! :)
     
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    alot of different opinons, personally i think theyre great but expensive. If they were closer to the $600-$700 range theyd be alot more popular but for a grand they dont have neough advantages to out weigh other options in traditiional calibers.
     
  24. DoomGoober

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    Cost aside, these things are a blast to shoot. They shoot like a .22 and other than their bright muzzle blast, you can get them back on target for a follow up mighty quick. They have a huge magazine size but they don't weigh too much loaded. Sure, the controls are a little clicky (no other way to describe it) and it feels a little off for my hands but man, you can spray lead. Unfortunately, said lead is VERY expensive.

    BTW, the P90, which shares the caliber, is even MORE fun to shoot. 50 round magazine, almost no felt recoil. You can fire mighty fast, mighty accurately with almost no practice (well, once you figure out how to get your thumb through the unusual grip.)

    I probably wouldn't buy either of these guns, but if you get a chance to shoot them, you're in for a treat (assuming someone else is paying for the ammo.)
     
  25. garyh9900

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    The P90 was indeed very fun to shoot.
     
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