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FN refurbished US weapons in 1945 - pics

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by JohnBT, Jun 23, 2014.

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  1. JohnBT

    JohnBT Member

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    I just stumbled across a site while looking for something else. I want this book.

    www.fnhblog.com/ars-mechanica-the-ultimate-fn-book

    A couple of examples from the book...

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    "Over 2 million American service weapons were delivered to the Herstal factory in 1945 for cleaning and repair"

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    "Assembly of M3 machine pistols in August 1945"
     
  2. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    I need to find someone else's coffee table with that book on it.
     
  3. SSGT PRIDE

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    The M3 Grease Gun! Was still in service in the late 80's .45 caliber and a lot of fun to shoot! You could point it up in the air and it would shoot slow and shoot downhill and it would shoot faster...They even had a "Shoot around the corner attachment for this thing!....Yep a half barrell shaped like a gently curved L ! Fully auto all the time! Was a favorite for recovery vehicle crews and Tank Jockeys! Think they even carried it into the 90's in the Gulf War.

    http://www.guns.com/2013/07/15/the-m3-submachine-gun-lets-get-greasy/
     
  4. Dr.Rob

    Dr.Rob Moderator Staff Member

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    We gave people in formerly occupied FN jobs and while the war ended in Europe it was still raging in the Pacific up until we dropped the bombs. Some generals were worried we'd be fighting the Soviets before the dust had settled.

    Cool photos that tell a deeper story.
     
  5. JT-AR-MG42

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    Dr. has it right.

    The original outsourcing.
    Gave us an excuse to feed them while their machinery to build new guns was rounded back up.

    Notice the complete lack of any machinery in the photo.

    IIRC the Germans scattered/destroyed most of the heavier mills and such all over Belgium and into Germany as they fell back before the Allied forces.

    Good thing we didn't go in for matching parts!

    JT
     
  6. JohnBT

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    "Damage suffered by the Herstal factory in World War II"
     
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    The mechanics in my engineer battalion finally had to give up their M3's in 1995. They traded them in for M9's and were not amused.
     
  8. Jim K

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    I doubt the M3 was still in U.S. service much after 1950. They were superseded by the M3A1 pretty quickly because the M3 cocking handle was a pain and easily bent, disabling the gun. The M3A1, with the finger hole in the bolt, was a lot better, plus it had the slots to use the stock to remove the barrel, the altered guide rod retainer and the stock with the mag loader and thread for a cleaning tip or brush.

    Jim
     
  9. bannockburn

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    A workbench filled with M3 submachine guns! Now that's my idea of a good day at work. Thanks for the photo.
     
  10. DougW

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    I read that some reserve tank crews still had M3's in 1991 in Derest Storm.
     
  11. Al Thompson

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    We had a couple of M3s in 1st Armored Division as late as 1989. (1/6 Infantry)
     
  12. caribou

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    My step Dad had one next to the door in his Chinook while serving in the 101's in Viet Nam, should he need it. Lemme look for a cool picture.

    Inspection and dissassembly, sorting them out...........We also had Korea, Denmark and Italy refurbb our arms following the World war, if I remember correct like.
     
  13. Chuck R.

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    We had an M3 and M3A1 in my BTRY (1/11ACR) for the maintenance guys (VTR crew) back in 90-91.

    I think they were valued at around $100 according to the property book......

    Chuck
     
  14. Trent

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    Those guys in the factory picture look happy.

    Probably most were thinking "rather be cleaning and rebuilding guns than getting shot at by them." That was a long war for Europe.

    Surprised there weren't more women in the photos. About the time that picture was taken my great grandmother was ending her stint in the factories in East Peoria IL, welding together tank tracks. (Hard to imagine that little old woman I knew as a child, built tank parts at Caterpillar during WWII.)

    Curious thing though, probably our (Allied) bombs that destroyed those factories in the first place. Putting the folks back to work was important to start the long rebuilding process. It took Europe quite a long time to really start putting the pieces back together and getting things moving forward again.
     
  15. scaevola

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    I never knew the US had masses of weapons refurbished overseas. I'd always assumed they were returned to stateside armories for more than basic repairs.

    Interesting bit of history.
     
  16. alexander45

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    I think that big pile o m3s is the most beautiful thing Iv seen all week
     
  17. 4v50 Gary

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    Bet those Belgians in the picture are very happy. Liberated from the Nazi yoke, country devastated by war and now being put back on their feet courtesy of the Marshall Plan. I'd be happy too.
     
  18. kcofohio

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    Trent, from what I have read and watch from history is that the Germans didn't employ women into the workforce as the Allies did.

    My mistake, that wasn't Germany but Belgium.

    But there does appear to be one woman in the background.
     
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  19. vaupet

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    War is won in the industry,

    germans didn't employ women, they "used" force labor instead. I personally know some people who worked in the german war industry. Ever able young belgian, who was seen as not essential in belgium was deported to germany to work in their industry.

    But now we know why it is almost impossible to find a numbers matching gun. :D
     
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