FN Semi P90 & P2000 (pix)

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No problem with importing, as the plant is located in Columbia, SC. I've been there :) Bought a Hi-Power MkIII directly from the factory for $397.95 including tax. My dad went back and got a compact for the same price. This was about 2 years ago, me thinks.

Yeah, their policy about the mags is ridiculous. Thing is, there is no actual law regulating them, so there's no reason why a dealer can't order some LE mags and sell them to you. Black stocks would be much better, but I'll settle for grey if that's all they offer. I'd love to have the P90! Now, if only someone would start making reloading components for the 5.7 :fire: If not, then a source of ammo for less than $17/box would be nice.

I've never had the opportunity to handle either of these weapons, so I have a question. Why is the back end so beefy? I mean, it doesn't appear that there are any moving parts or anything in the butt since it's behind and below the mag. Couldn't they have made it more of a skeleton and cut out several cubic inches of material? Like on the 2000, could the stock be cut from behind the mag up to the butt plate?

It would be nice to cut down the bbl on the P90 and make it a SBR.
 
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Cheeky answer - where else will keep your lunch warm?

Answer I heard - 'Windswept' look means it is easier to bring to bear, or climb out of a vehicle with etc., as it won't catch on obstructions as often.
 
WHY are they molding the stocks in odd colors? Black is ideal. I hate the idea of laying out some serious $$$ for a gun, and then having to paint the stock to make it look right.

Actually, take a look at the specifications for the XM8 or SCAR finishes. They usually specify a brown base coat for the rifle. Some other countries have specified green or gray. Military units are getting away from black because it serves as too much of a target indicator - particularly with night vision or thermal.

I imagine FN is just anticipating this trend on the military side and offering it to the civilian side as well.
 
That's the first good "left side" Pic I've seen where I could SEE the bolt handle on the 2000 where a grunt or something else wasn't in the way.


They borrowed the front eject from the old Maxim model 1904 machine gun I heard. It works. Old idea, new rifle. Wasn't really needed on the belt fed, but for a bullpup it makes sense.

The FN 2000 uses AR mags.
 
de lefter side:
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the kniggly bits:
 

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Telperion, last I heard, the SS192 was being discontinued in favor of a new round. The new round by some rumors will be called the SS196 and use a 40 grain V-Max bullet. Sounds pretty good in my book although I wonder if it will be as effective as the SS192.

Oh, to the poster on the first page who said FN would be out of the price range...the FN gun I own (The Forty-Nine) is better quality IMHO than most Glocks and cost me considerably less. FN seems to make excellent quality guns at just under other makers (Glock, Sig, HK, Colt) prices.
If FN makes it, I'll consider it before those guys. Just my personal take on things. If FN can sell the F2000 at the $1600 price tag I've read about, they might be able to drop prices a bit. Hopefully, they'll win a govt contract somewhere and be able to up production. Prices drop and the AR platform begins to look passe in the light of the new plastic fantastic...oops, sorry. I jumped into a dream sequence. FN will manage to screw it up.
 
I got to see these also. They didn't put the civillian ones out in public, but rather had them stashed in the booth.

The 30 round P90 mag has nothing to do with legality, but is instead a marketing thing. They tried to explain it to me, and I don't think I understood. 30 rounds was just considered the normal amount for a black rifle. For some squirly reason they thought 50 would be bad. Beats me. Cool little gun though.

For the poster who said that black is where it is at. Haven't you heard? Brown is the new black. :p Black gets hot in the sun. Black is a great target indicator.

The plastic doesn't look shiny in person. It doesn't look chintzy either. I was impressed with the F2000. I look forward to getting my hands on one and shooting the heck out of it to see if it will have any issues.
 
Black gets hot in the sun.
Ya, it's hard to shoot well when you can smell your skin sizzilling. Almost as distracting as feeling the nerves in your hands and cheak burn away ;)

What happened to bluing and wood? Need some nice quilted walnut for the P90 :p
 
About the barrel length on P90, what the hell? So the ammunition has been nerfed, and the barrel extended. Wasn't the gun designed around the bullet? It seems to me that the barrel length was appropriate for the round, and a longer barrel may have the same effect it does on a 9mm - slow the bullet down.

Well, even .22LR needs about 16" before it even thinks about slowing down. I suspect you would need about 3 feet of barrel before you had to worry about it with the SS192 (or 9mm for that matter).
 
*drool*

Still don't understand the 30 round limit. Doesn't seem to be a PC thing, because 30 rounds is hardly low capacity. On the other hand, I don't understand how lower capacity could be good for marketing. As mentioned, gunnies don't like neutered firearms. Very confusing. :scrutiny:
 
Why do H&K and FN seem to hate civilians. Occasionally the toss a bone to the evil crazy american gun nuts in the form of a neutered "combat weapon". But seriously, they need to understand that any gun the police can own, civi's should own too.

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Oh, glad I saw the F2000 isn't going to be super expensive. I'm going to have to save the rest of my tax return. :)

Stupid HK for not letting me buy a rifle.

-jason m
 
The P90 does look techno-cool, but that's quite a sum of money for a gun in a caliber that ummm, , -well, , , , -how can I say, , , ehhhh, , -costs a lot but isn't good for much of anything.
Aside from recreational shooting of course.
That being the type, which is most of what I do. But I don't know how enthusiastic I'd be about paying P90 prices for a gun and then still having to pay five-seven prices for ammo. For a purely-recreational arm, it seems to me like either the gun or the ammo should be reasonably inexpensive.....
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Because HK and especially FN make tons of money from government contracts. I know that FN makes a significant portion of the US's small arms as well as those for many of our allies. HK is in a similar position because of the MP5, G3 and pistols.

The round discontinuation is entirely for the reason of playing musical chairs vs the gun grabbers. Every time they say "oh the ss### round penetrates vests" FN can say "oh we discontinued that round and only sell the ss###+1 round to civilians now." If anyone is worried about the velocity being nerfed from the short barrel, its not like someone cant go create a hotter carbine load for the P90 like the ruskies did for the old ppsh41 smg and tok pistols respectively.

The barrel lengthening is entirely to comply with NFA regs, obviously.

The mag shortening defies comprehension, but its possible they might just be trying to provide themselves a way out if they get called on producing the "HIGHEST CAPACITY CONCEALABLE COP KILLING GUN EVAR!!!!1111!!!!" and they can just say "oh but its just a 30 rounder just like the AR15 and AK47 which already exist and are more powerful, and the gun is sold as a rifle anyway, so its not concealable, duh." This seems like the most reasonable explanation.

The F2000 seems overpriced to me. However, I really like it because of the small size (what length is the barrel? 16? 20?) and the probably decent muzzle velocities compared to the 14 inch and smaller M4s.
 
Argh. Now I WANT WANT WANT an F2000.

And here I just sent in a Form 1 to SBR an AR I own. Oh well, it's all good.

Yes, I'm also starting to lust after a SCAR. Fortunately (for my wallet) it doesn't sound like we'll see a SCAR this year.

Has anyone fired an F2000 yet? I've heard that must bullpup rifles have disgusting triggers.
 
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