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FOID Card Stupidity

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Fleetwood_Captain, Jun 24, 2010.

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  1. Fleetwood_Captain

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    If your like me and live in the People's Republic of Illinois, you get to deal with FOID card loveliness.

    One thing that strikes me as odd is the number of people in Blago-land that have no idea what a FOID card even is. In Illinois, before you can take a NICS check to buy a gun, you have to submit to a state and federal background check to get a state ID which says you are qualified to take an additional background check to purchase a gun. It's basically an excise tax for those that exert their right to own firearms. You can't even legally own gunpowder or primers in Illinois without a FOID card.

    The real kick in the teeth is that 3/4 times when I use it as an ID for purchasing goods other than guns, clerks act like your handing them a card for the Burger King Kid's Club. I can't even count the times i've had people say "It's not a real ID, anyone could get one of those."

    I can almost understand skepticism of the old laminated ones, but the new ones have holographic copy-protection and use the same photo from your DL or State ID. Regardless of the features to assure authenticity, everyone in the Chicago burbs act like their not a "real ID", despite having "Firearms Owners Identification Card" printed in bold, captital letters at the top of the card. My usual reaction to this is "so I can buy a gun with this, but can't buy a pack of smokes?"

    Anyone else in Blago-land run into this insanity?
     
  2. BCCL

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    Here's a real head scratcher for you.....our FOID card is issued by the Illinois State Police....but our DMV which is ran by the Illinois Secretary of State, will not accept a FOID card as a valid form of ID.

    The state won't recognize an ID issued by itself.............. ????????????????
     
  3. XxWINxX94

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    yes, I remember going to get my lisence, and you need a certain type of ID (Birth certificate, Social Security Card, etc.), yet the state wont take it. They only take months to get, and can be revoked for the smallest crime. I don't understand it either.
     
  4. David E

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    No, it tells the State who the gunowners are and where they live.

    x
     
  5. bushmaster1313

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    New Jersey, which is relatively anti-gun to say the least, accepts its Firearms Puchaser Identification Card as one of the best forms of identification when getting a drivers license.

    go figure
     
  6. wow6599

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    I love it when I go to visit the wife's side of the family in southern Illinois and buy ammo; they ask for my FOID card and I tell them I am from the free state of Missouri. 100% of the time I hear how they wish there was a North and South Illinois so they could get the idiots in Chicago out of controlling them.
     
  7. chicago guy

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    Yep, the ever-popular FOID isn't a ID. My banker sister-in-law said it's because you don't have to apply in person for the card. (Not that That makes much sense, but it's the reason given in the bank's policy manual.)

    Here in CHICAGO itself, most people don't even know that a FOID is! --Mayor Daley likes it that way, of course!
     
  8. hurricanej

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    So those of you not in Illinois can understand...

    On the spur of the moment, I decided to purchase a Remington rifle at our local sports megastore. Present the Illinois-issued FOID card (that took months and money to obtain!), drive home, wait 24 hours, drive back, be escorted to the front of the store. The rifle was a Remington Vantage 1200 Airgun. Yes, a waiting period for an airgun.
     
  9. Gottahaveone

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    Please don't take this wrong, but why in the ...heck...would you use that particular card for ID at any time other than when buying a firearm? Why let random strangers know that you even know what a firearm is? I don't wanna be added to anybody's "lets go burgle" list......
     
  10. Shadow 7D

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    Wait, so if you want to purchase a gun, from a reciprocity state (don't know if illinois knows what that is) in illionis, you can just walk up and buy it, but the local guy is stuck waiting for an air gun, sorry, but if I could, I would every time I was in state, just because.
     
  11. Ditch-Tiger

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    And don't forget to add for the people that have never had the "pleasure" of living in the peoples republic of Krook county/IL that if you let your FOID card expire your required to turn in your guns to the state police and aren't even supposed to handle ammo w/o a valid FOID card not to mention that BP & some air rifles (over .18 dia & 1000+ fps) are considered actual firearms and therefor the FOID and waiting period are required.

    Man i hate that state.
    I lived there for 9months and it felt like a prison term!!!
     
  12. M2 Carbine

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    When I was out of work I was offered a very good job flying for the state of Illinois. When I heard of their ridiculous gun laws I passed on the job.
     
  13. acdodd

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    Washington state used to accept a utility bill with your name and address on it to get a drivers license.
    They decided that was easy to abuse so they did away with the requirement to show a utility bill.
    Now all you have to do is say "I'm me."
    We are 1 of I believe 3 states that give DL to the illegals.
    On the good side we have no such thing as a FOID.

    At lunch one day I found a .38 that I wanted.
    Showed them my CHL did the paperwork, paid cash and walked out with the gun and a box of ammo.
    Washington isn't all bad.
     
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    Illinoize is about half-way down the sewer in a leaky boat, and Mayor Daley (AKA 'Mayor Shortshanks') is paddling furiously forward.

    Chicago leads the nation-in some respects, the WORLD-for the number of cameras in private and public places. There are flashing 'cop cams' in the particularly awful parts of the city, and where the red light cams are placed the yellow lights are purposely shortened to create more tickets.

    They've outsourced the parking meters and allow the private company that operates them to issue tickets. Soda has a 'sin' tax on it, and Da Mayor, realizing that everyone with a brain has moved out, has instituted a 'head tax' on businesses so he can tax employees from the suburbs. Honestly, all this stuff comes to light and people just nod and move on.

    I'm convinced that the strong spirit of resistance that created America is simply gone; these people are sheep, and Daley, Blago and Obama are their shepherds.
     
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    This is what the whole thing (and most law) is really about - "revenue enhancement." I live in the PRC, and they have found more creative ways to collect fees and raise taxes than you can shake the veritable stick at. Here, we have to have a DOJ Handgun Safety Certificate to buy any handgun, which you have to study, take a stupid test, and pay for. Apparently, no such safety assurance is needed for long guns, which, as we all know are much safer. :rolleyes:

    A reminder that government exists to weaken, limit or eliminate your civil rights, not strengthen or extend them.
     
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    Thank you, God, for giving me Wyoming as my home.
     
  17. BCCL

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    Brother...you have no idea how bad we wish!!!!

    That started in 2007, they snuck it in with an agricultural bill. And it's anything that propels a projectile over 700fps, not 1000.

    I had to do a 4473 and 24 hour wait for the same Remington Vantage as Hurricanej. It's insane.

    Wal-Marts in Illinois, have all dropped to selling ony air rifles that are below 700fps to avoid the hassle.

    We can buy long guns from an adjoining state, but thanks to threatening letters from the Illinois State Police that were sent to gun sellers along the border, most stores make us wait the 24 hour waiting period, even though their state may not have one.

    I tried to buy a .22 rifle in Paducah, KY about 40 minutes from my house, but over the border, at Gander Mountain, and he told me I had to wait 24 hours. I asked why and he showed me a copy of the letter they received from the ISP, stating that if they found anyone from IL, coming back from KY with a gun and a receipt dated that day, they would arrest them. (which for the life of me I am not sure they can actually do???)
     
  18. Snowdog

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    Wow.

    Thank goodness North Carolina has no such Stasi imposing iniquitous regulations and registration.

    Whew.
     
  19. ljnowell

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    You can purchase ammo components without a FOID in IL. I have done it tons of times, at any and all local gunshops within a 50 mile radius. I always felt that was funny, you cant buy ammo, but you can buy brass, primers, powder, and bullets. I dont get it.
     
  20. Dnaltrop

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    The first handgun I purchased in my life, I had no clue as to how simple it was...

    Form, thumbprint... the guy goes to the phone and 10 minutes later comes back sheepishly, saying NICS was down and that I should probably expect to come back tomorrow.

    15 minutes into the 20 minute return drive, they call my Cell, the check is through, I loop back, settle bills and walk out with my revolver.

    the next 2 had checks under 2 minutes. Maybe it was my infant strapped to my chest, got them to hurry up.
     
  21. stchman

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    You need a FOID card to buy ammo in Illinois? I thought it was only for firearms.
     
  22. BCCL

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    Nope stchman, we have to have (and show) one to purchase ammo also.
     
  23. Gary G23

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    Do what I did...............move to a free state.
     
  24. Mags

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    Yeah, but you do need a pistol purchase permit don't you?
     
  25. Geneseo1911

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    Think about it. The fecal-heads who write these laws don't know you can load your own. shhhhhhh....

    To the OP's question; I very rarely use my FOID as an ID, although the handful of times I have been asked for two forms of ID, it has been accepted without question. In this area, it seems only about 1/2 of the gun owners actually have a FOID. Many let it expire and don't worry about it until they need to buy ammo again, which in the case of the average gun owner could be years. I've had to explain the law to several relatives who are still shooting their dad's .22 with ammo he bought in the 60's.

    There is also a small percentage of folks I know who refuse to get a FOID because they don't want to be "on the list". I can't say I blame them, but they don't shoot much either, and it's not really an option for those of us who like to buy/sell/shoot/enjoy our guns.
     
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