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Fold up/Compact .22lr survival rifle

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Bubba613, Dec 22, 2008.

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  1. Bubba613

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    Customer is looking for said gun.
    It must be:
    -bolt action to cycle subsonic ammo
    -stainless/polymer construction for durability.
    -very short or capable of being made so.

    Also possible to work off an existing platform, using aftermarket stock etc.
    Any ideas?
     
  2. lipadj46

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    A semi auto can cycle subsonic ammo just fine. If it is not strong enough to cycle the action just pull the bolt back manually. Honestly if I were looking for a folding survival rifle it would be the keltec sub 2000 in .40 but 9mm would be fine too. I know it is not .22 and not bolt action but it is cheap, reliable and fairly accurate.

    Otherwise if it must be .22 the ones I know of are:
    - Springfield Armory M6 Scout - it folds and is probably closest to what you are asking about
    - Marlin Papoose - screw takedown
    - Survival arms AR-7 - screw takedown
    - Henry Survival Rifle - screw takedown
     
  3. gunmaker2872

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  4. Leadhead

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    It's a single shot but otherwise the Henry mini bolt would be a nice light package....

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  5. regal

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    unfortunately what you are looking for doesn't exist. What you describe is the perfect rifle for WTSHTF.

    Have you considered a Ruger .22 semi-auto pistol?

    Something like this:

    http://www.ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView?model=10120&return=Y#

    You coulc cycle the colibri manually. It take a scope. You could do some discrete varmit hunting WTSHTF.
     
  6. Leadhead

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    A youth model CZ with a custom survival style stock would be good as well if you want a bolt action repeater....
     
  7. JackOfAllTradesMasterAtNone

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    I know it's not what he asked for, but shooting subsonic ammo from a rifle barrel of 18" or so reduces the velocity to the point where it's no more effective than a spring or air powered pellet gun keeping effective ranges to much less than 75yds.

    I'll second the Ruger SS Gov Target model MKII with 6 7/8" barrel or the 10" barrel. I have shot standard velocity rounds out to 100yds hitting 4" plate with repetition off hand. Subsonic ammo would be accurate and have acceptable velocity to 50yds.

    I would suggest replacing the main/hammer spring with the Trapper reduced power kit if a MKII was to be expected to shoot subsonic fodder reliably.

    But the Ruger 10-22 carbine (stainless barrel, aluminum reciever) has a plethora of aftermarket barrels, composite, pistol, and folding stocks available for it. It can be made to shoot subsonic ammo if need be.

    -Steve
     
  8. T191032

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    "Customer is looking for said gun.
    It must be:
    -bolt action to cycle subsonic ammo
    -stainless/polymer construction for durability.
    -very short or capable of being made so.

    Also possible to work off an existing platform, using aftermarket stock etc.
    Any ideas? "


    Assuming "very short" is LEGAL length, the mentioned Henry Mini- and Acu-Bolt rifles fit the requirements. If you want a repeater, then look at Savage Mk II line, they have a 20" Bbl that can be trimed to 16.50" (something that I had considered, but never bothered as the shorter the barrel, the more noise you get).
     
  9. bhk

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    "know it's not what he asked for, but shooting subsonic ammo from a rifle barrel of 18" or so reduces the velocity to the point where it's no more effective than a spring or air powered pellet gun keeping effective ranges to much less than 75yds."

    Actually, .22 ammo reaches its maximum velocity in a 16-18" barrel and the resulting muzzle energy (and resulting effectiveness) will be several times that of an air rifle (partially due to the much heavier .22 bullet). Some air rifles produce velocities close to .22s, but that is because the pellets are so very light. .22 handguns, do have significantly less power than the rifles due to their much shorter barrels, but the muzzle energy will still greatly exceed air rifles.

    The poster I quoted above may have been thinking of cartridges like the Aquilla .22s that DO have very little power and won't cylce a semi-auto. Most subsonics have velocities in the 1100 fps range, easily cylcing semi-autos. Some are loading so close to the super-sonic speed (like Remington subsonics) that I get about 1 in 10 actually breaking the sound barrier. Pretty easy to tell when this happens because of the loud 'crack' the shot makes in comparison to the shots fired just before and after.

    I have a stainless 10/22 with a folding Butler Creek stock that would fit your needs just fine.
     
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    A stainless, synthetic stock Cricket weighs about 2.5 lbs. Small, light and effective but single shot.

    NCsmitty
     
  11. OOOXOOO

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    I have a Marlin Papoose and love it. It fits all your needs except the bolt action. I have also seen suppressed barrels for them that are the stock length. The M6 would be my second choice. Ihave owned an AR-7 and it was a waist of metal.
     
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    IIRC, Savage makes a youth version of their MKII that is already pretty compact.
    I'd suggest you get a romanian AK side-folding stock, get a rifle, and figure out what kind of act of congress you'd need to get the two mated up.

    Good concept. I'd like to see it in production. I'd probably buy one.
     
  13. gunmaker2872

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    get a ruger charger, the only pistol in 10 22 action




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    I guess since your client is worried about CB's not cycling a semi-auto they are looking for a repeater.....

    Like others have said above, you can shoot CB longs out of a semi but you need to work the bolt just like a bolt action only straight pull.

    I shoot CB's with my papoose and a red dot....golf balls are not safe out to about 40 yards.
     
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    Kel-Tec PLR22 with tax stamp and AR stock adapter. Should be handy little SBR.
     
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    OK, maybe my comparison to a pellet rifle was an exageration, but 'sub sonic', less than 1100fps, no not 1124fps flirting with the speed of sound, as in a subsonic target round or CB's that are well less than that, do actually loose velocity in longer barrels.

    -Steve
     
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    Actually not. The true target/match rounds (Eley, Lapua, Federal Match, etc) are all subsonic at around 1050 fps. They loose velocity when barrels lengthen much beyond 18". When shot through very long target guns, the velocity and 'bang' are significanty reduced. The true target rounds do function just fine in most semi-autos. It would, of course, pay to test each type of subsonic ammo in YOUR gun to make sure.

    CBs are a totally different story. They have MUCH reduced velocity (750 to 850 fps) and will not function in semis. While these are definately subsonic, they are not what is usually refered to when the 'subsonic' term used. These are not target rounds (plinking, yes) and are, quite frankly, very inaccurate in comparison to true target rounds or what is often labeled subsonic hunting rounds (Remington subsonics, CCI subsonics, and the new Winchester subsonics). These, again, will have velocities in the 1050 to 1100 fps.

    I just interrupted this typing to step outside the door and test three subsonic makes (Lapua, CCI, and Eley - all hollow points) in my 10/22. I usually shoot them from a bolt action. They functioned fine in the 10/22 and all hit what I was aiming at about 85 yards across a ravine by my drive.

    Of course, we really don't know what the OP was referring to when he stated 'subsonic' ammo. Is he asking about the 1050 fps hunting or target subsonics (most likely), or is he referring to CB caps or Aguilla Colibris. Neither the CBs or the Colibris are good for anything but informal, close range plinking. I shoot them off my deck sometimes. Yes they are fun, but they are not for any survival situation unless we are worried about attacking mice and rats.
     
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    Marlin Papoose -- new models are stainless/synthetic and come with a floating case.

    Don't forget the Browning SA-22 and the Marlin 39 lever gun -- both are also takedowns. With a lever action, you don't have to worry about cycling, and cleaning/oiling aren't as critical either.

    Ruger's pistols are excellent. A stainless Mk II or III, or better yet IMO a stainless 22/45, are good guns, and accurate. Why anyone would want a 10/22-based pistol is beyond me; the rifle is bad enough. Ruger makes GREAT .22 pistols, much better in every way than the 10/22 is -- better construction, better reliability, better features, better accuracy, better magazines.
     
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    Realize that if the OP is stating 'subsonic' ammo to keep his shooting quiet, choosing a 10/22 pistol will totally defeat his purpose. Subsonics (the normal target/hunting type that will function in the pistol) will be noiser than the high speed stuff out of a rifle.
     
  20. rangerruck

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    16 inch bbl for a rifle is legally as short as you can go, otherwise go for a long bbl pistol, this is much better for a shtf 22 anyway, much better. a bolt action , with a collapsable or foldable stock, I have never heard of such a thing.
    Yyou would have to do a custom job.
    the above dudes list, with the papoose on it; the papoose is the way to go.
    the best of all is the most expensive; majestic arms, takedown-swithc bbl.
    uses a alumi-lite bbl, that is very accurate.
     
  21. ArmedBear

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    Piggybacking on bhk: the 10/22 pistol HAS little purpose. It's a toy for the shooter who has everything, not a survival tool.

    That said, a semiauto .22 is not the best choice for a survival gun. My Ruger pistol is incredibly reliable, but it still wouldn't run if I got it full of mud and didn't give it a good cleaning -- which is a bit of a PITA if you don't have a table.

    For survival, I'd get a stainless .22 bolt gun with irons, put on a 4X Nikon scope covered with a neoprene cover, and be done with it. Easy to clean, works the same with every type of ammo from CBs to Velocitors, and will be quietest with subsonics. Another option would be something like an H&R single shot. We're not talking about plinking, here.:)
     
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    one more thing; testing has shown , about for 1000 years now, that high velocity 22 ammo only needs 15 to 16 inches of bbl to max out velocity, not 1
    inch more. Even the absolute fastest hypervelocity ammo, stingers, velocitors, and the king/ interceptors, can get it done, by 17-18 inches.
    Subsonic rounds only need 10-12 inches of bbl, to max out velocity, depending on their ind. speeds.
     
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    An M4 with a 22lr kit?
     
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    I have an M6 scout rifle and it fits the bill for what you are looking for. Good luck trying to find one that is not over priced!
     
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