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Folding stock 10/22

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by M91/30, Jun 8, 2012.

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  1. M91/30

    M91/30 Member

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    I have a slight problem, I have a 10/22 with a butler creek stock.
    I was looking at having my barrel threaded and shortened to 16.5"
    The overall length right now is 27 1/4in folded and the barrel is 18.5 i think.
    It does go by the folded length right? If not Its legally a sbr correct?
     
  2. Captains1911

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    To classify as an SBR it must have a barrel length less than 16" or an overall length less than 26".
     
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    Yes, it must be over 26" folded to stay awout of SBR territory.
     
  4. David E

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    You can shorten your barrel, then permanently affix the flash hider. If it "makes length," you're ok.
     
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    I thought you folks in the free states got to measure your guns unfolded and extended?
     
  6. Clermont

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    The Uzi Models A and B semi-automatic carbines measure 24" in length with the stock folded and 31.5" in length with the folding stock extended, so the legal measurement is taken with the folding stock extended.
     
  7. David E

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    Sure would like to see the citation for that comment.
     
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    I believe you are incorrect. The minimum legal length is measured with the folding stock extended. The overall length of the Uzi carbine with the stock folded is 24". It is classified as a carbine, not classified as "any other weapon". Am I correct?
     
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  9. PBR Streetgang

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    how are you measuring it ? From the tip of the barrel to where?
     
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    Federally, it's measured with the folding stock extended. I believe only Michigan and California measure it with stocks closed.
     
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    Here are the Uzi Model B specifications, taken from the owners manual. Manufacturer's measurements were taken from the muzzle end of the barrel to the end of the folding stock, in both the folded and extended positions.


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  12. MIgunguy

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    yeah, lucky us... and still no SBRs & SBSs allowed
     
  13. PBR Streetgang

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    The Feds measure with the stock closed or folded also,,
     
  14. Clermont

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    You are incorrect. The feds measure with the folding stock extended.
     
  15. Swing

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    Nope.
     
  16. PBR Streetgang

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    I just did a detailed search and from what I find there is no definitive answer to this question. Seems like ATF can rule either for or against in each case. But there have been some ATF rulings on certain weapons that were given exemptions.
     
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    If its "stock extended," then it sure seems to me that the major manufacturers are missing out on a great money making opportunity.

    I need something more than someone online saying "I believe I'm correct" when it comes to such things.

    I did find where the ATF talks about the antiquated Marbles Game Getter that's measured with the stock extended, but that's it.
     
  21. dogtown tom

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    There are numerous "non NFA" firearms that are less than 26"OAL with stock folded or closed. Manufacturers are well aware of the NFA since its been Federal law since 1934.


    http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf
     
  22. plunge

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    The "extreme ends" means longest possible configuration
     
  23. Swing

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    Could you provide some links to the rulings you mentioned? I'd like to read them over.

    Indeed, so it appears.
     
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    Correct. Other states may have similar rules, but at the federal level, it is measured with the stock extended.

    Keep in mind that some of the occupied territories still ban folding stocks...period. So it isn't even an issue of SBR vs. non-SBR. It is an evil gun if the stock folds or collapses somehow.
     
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    A "short barrel rifle(SBR)" designation has only to do with a rifle that has a barrel length of less than 16", regardless of overall length, with or without a folding stock. If a rifle with a barrel length of 16" or more, with a fixed or an extended folding stock, and an overall length of less than 26", it would be classified as "any other weapon", not a "short barrel rifle(SBR)".
     
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