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Follow up: Charges dropped, gun at Pelosi's hotel

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by scottgun, Sep 15, 2008.

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  1. scottgun

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    It's always nice to see how these stories end up. No charges filed as most here expected, he didn't do anything wrong after all.

    http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/sep/15/no-charges-man-guns-pelosis-dnc-hotel/

     
  2. Larry E

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    Unfortunately he hasn't gotten his guns back. It's nice to know that we have a privileged class in the country - politicians - who have to be "protected" no matter whose civil rights are infringed. :cuss:
     
  3. ArmedBear

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    That's why I'd throw the things in a duffel bag.
     
  4. Mr White

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    I'm sure he'll get his guns back.... as soon as he produces receipts for each of them. That seems to be the common tactic lately.
     
  5. insidious_calm

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    I'd bet a six pack that he really wasn't breaking the law. If he really was he WOULD have been charged. If he was not in fact breaking the law then felony deprivation charges should be brought against all officers involved. I agree his situational awareness appears to have been lacking, but that does not excuse his arrest for a "non-crime". Those making such arguments look silly.


    I.C.
     
  6. Treo

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    I'm thinking it's time to get a good Pro 2A lawyer
     
  7. Standing Wolf

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    Once in a great while, a person needs an assault lawyer. This is one of those times.
     
  8. ArmedBear

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    They probably just didn't think that Pelosi could be trusted around guns.
     
  9. DaveBeal

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    Thanks for updating us on this, scottgun. The consensus from previous discussion was that he was violating no law. It's good to see the authorities acknowledge that.
     
  10. romma

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    I can see her face now as they tell her that no charges would be filed...

    Welcome to outside your world Nancy!

    Glad to hear common sense finally revailed in this matter.
     
  11. scrat

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    i hope they get their guns back
     
  12. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    I suspect she hasn't lost any sleep over this incident and won't in the future.

    It will be interesting to see how long it takes him to get his guns back.
     
  13. Sistema1927

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    GIVE HIM BACK HIS GUNS! NOW!!!

    Yes, I am yelling.
     
  14. Hk91-762mm

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    I understand he was on his way to a huting trip--NO Doubt He lost his deposit on the trip and Now has lost the oppertunity to go at all--Sound like a lawsuit to me --I hope the GUNRIGHTS groups Put Up Insted of shutup !!
     
  15. crebralfix

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    That's armed theft of property. Someone needs to be charged and a lawsuit filed for violation of his rights. Good luck, though.
     
  16. ServiceSoon

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    That person would be Joseph. And I agree.
     
  17. mgkdrgn

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    I wonder how many tens of thousands of $'s this poor shmuck had to spend to figure that out for them?
     
  18. Kind of Blued

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    The guy sounded like a huge pushover (as quoted by the media, mind you) when interviewed initially. He didn't seem to be aware that his rights were being abused for the sake of a maniacal politician who hates his way of life and considers herself more important than he.

    I hope he gets pro-active about it, but he sounded like one of the apologetic "well they wouldn't do anything illegal, they're the law" types.
     
  19. Gentleman Ranker

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    Serious question.

    Any comments or observations from our friends in law enforcement? Is there something about the situation (firearms not returned though no charges filed) that non-LE folks don't fully understand?

    Does it just take time for the paperwork to process or something?

    Serious question.

    regards,

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  20. rc109a

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    I have arrested people on charges that were dropped by the other party in which I had seized guns. The longest delay was getting the other key holder to meet me up at the office to open the evidence locker. That may have taken a day or so if they were on the opposite shift.
     
  21. azwizard

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    We had a really crappy neighbor one time about 3 years ago who called the police on the neighbor across the street for brandishing a weapon. He wasn't brandishing anything He'd just gotten home from a hunting trip in Oaklahoma and was describing the hunt to a few of us.

    Anyway the police show up and in the discussion he gets a little pissed, didn't really do anything wrong just got loud about what crap this was and the police get attitude and arrested him for disturbing the peace, then confiscate his guns.., all of them!!! This was on his front porch mind you..

    BS charges and released on his own an hour later, Court two days later and charges dropped. Told he can pick up his firearms in 3 days! Why 3 days.. This was Chandler AZ by the way.

    3 days go by and we go down to pick up his guns and He's now told he has to submit to an instant check to get the guns back and he'll need to request them all by Serial number!!!!! Consequently his temper starts to rise yet again... Calm him down and go back to his house and get the papers I'd had the foresight to have his wife record all of the s/n's from all the guns as the police carried them out the door that evening.

    Get back to the property room and fill out the forms and he fails instant check for the arrest for disturbing the peace. Shows the court papers dropping the charges, too bad come back in 3 days and if they can't find anything else maybe he can get them back then. Having a hard time getting my buddy out and in the car without anymore of a scene.

    3 More days run's into the weekend and the property room is closed come back Monday!!!!!!! Finally get in there and yes he can pick up his guns wait over there. The clerk goes off with the paper work and a cart and we hear things clunking around and about 15 minutes later he's signing for all of the firearms. Soon to be another scene as they are all scratched up and scarred from just dropping them on tables/carts etc.. Heck one even had the scope knocked off its mounts. We can only imagine what the abuse to them was while in police custody.

    Got him out of there and told him to file a claim against the PD department or maybe the City and he does but everything was denied because there weren't any before pictures to go with the after pictures he'd taken as evidence of the abuse. FWIW he should have gotten a lawyer to represent him.

    Talk about an abuse of power and violation of rights. Long and short of it was his gun's got screwed up due to a false report by a nosey neighbor. PD didn't care one way or the other and neither did the city. I've moved since then but I learned a lesson, None of my neighbors even know I own guns. I load and unload them into the house after dark and with the garage door closed whenever I leave or get home from a hunting or range trip.

    The nosey neighbor Moved a few months after this incident seems he'd called on enough of the neighborhood that he'd worn out his welcome and his back yard kept catching on fire several times a week, imagine that...
     
  22. eflatminor

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    I hopes he sues their butts.
     
  23. dogmush

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    Definatly, get a lawyer and go after them. And make sure the firearms are returned in good shape and on time. If I recall the story correctly, they were fresh out of a gunsmith so they should have been in good shape.

    P.S. I tried to resist, but I can't:

    Would that be a Lawyer with the shoulder thing that goes up? :evil:
     
  24. deaconkharma

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    not helpful now but

    always hide my firearms when loading and unloading. not only because we have a nosey biddy next door but if anyone is watching and decides they like a gun they saw... and they come back when I'm not thereto look for it...
    Just better to keep things incognito. Not an issue of "shouldn't have to" more of an issue of reality and privacy. Plus scenarios like this where a certain group ,who shall remain nameless, likes to abuse their right-revoking-privledges and your property.:scrutiny:
     
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  25. Tarvis

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    Time for a lawsuit. It is RIDICULOUS to assume he was going to attempt to murder Pelosi. If they want to evacuate her, good for them. When their paranoia affects a law abiding citizen, the line has been crossed.
     
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