Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by bowhntr04, Sep 15, 2013.
The Tangfolio Witness guns are nice but the customer service at EAA is horrible.
My favorite to shoot is my SP-01. For house or general range I like my 75B collection. For carry I do a Canik clone which is basically the PCR with a safety instead of decocker.
If you want a gun about the size of a Glock 19, I would get a CZ PRC, if you can find one. Some models a difficult to find now. I bought Tristar C-100 which is kind of a clone of the PRC. The quality of this gun is excellent.
^^^Not a PCR, but a compact.....^^^
Nice looking gun...
Very close indeed!
I'll second (or third, or fourth) the PCR. In my hands, it is the easiest 9mm to shoot and is also the most accurate. I rate it above my BHP, which I love. The alloy frame and compact grip make it easy to conceal and carry. It's the most under-rated 9mm on the market, IMO.
If you're thinking of a CZ now's the time to buy. They're finally showing up at decent prices. Damascus Gun Shop has CZ75Bs for $478 shipped! Once the current supply disappears there's no telling how long it'll take for another shipment to come stateside.
Hard to go wrong with any CZ in my opinion. For carry i like my p-01, but my favorites to shoot are my full size models. All are equally accurate!
Check out the 85 combat. I like it a lot better than the 75B.
I have a 2007 PCR and am extremely pleased with it. If you put on the thinner accessory wood (which I did) or aluminum grips, it is about as slim as "old school" (double stack, metal frame, hammer fired) grips will get. The new P-07 has a slimmer grip, but a very wide slide, almost to the point of being "top heavy."
Personally, if there was any way to find a Pre-B, I like those the best. Outside of the Pre-B, I've used a 75B, 85, P-01, and 75B Compact. I love the feel of the 75 and 75 Compact. The P-01 is an awesome pistol two.
Plus up on the VZ Grips. I think they are some of the best aftermarket grips out there. I have them on my CZs, 1911s, and Smith 442. I'll get a set for my Hi-Power eventually.
Re: the pre-Bs... I used to feel that way. I've owned several, and every one had a great trigger, even one that was, in effect, NIB. But...
Many of the older pre-Bs had a different safety mechanism, with a spring inside the lever, and that spring isn't available any more, so if it gets lost (easily, if detail stripping), you're SOL. the dovetails at the rear are often different (so changing sights can be a challenge, or require metal work), and many of the front sights are STAKED, not fit in a dovetail (lengthwise) slot. The new slide stops work in the older guns, but look different, so if you break one, you lose part of the "correct" look.
Properly tuned, a new CZ now seems a better deal, to me -- and you can look to the CZ Custom Shop or Cajun Gun Works for an array of parts that greatly improve functionality.
I probably won't have any more pre-Bs. Don't think they're worth the price or the risk (of not being able to replace a few obscure parts.) Late pre-Bs are NOT a problem in that regard; they're just like B models, but without the Firing Pin Block.
The best of both worlds, for me, would be one of the small run of B-models they brought out a few years ago that looked like pre-Bs (rounded trigger guard, different slide stop,) but basically still a B-model. The looks I love, and warranty, too. And no concern about parts (except, maybe, the slide stop.)
I own both a CZ 75 D PCR and a CZ 75 BD Police. While the PCR is a great defensive carry pistol, light weight, accurate I prefer the BD more.
I'm of average build standing at 5'10" and 180lbs. and have no difficulty concealing the pistol in a waistband holster. While the pistol is of course quite a bit heavier and longer both in barrel length and grip then the PCR it helps with control (recoil/muzzle flip) and follow up shots.
I would suggest if you're looking for a conceal carry that has a thin profile that you seriously look at a single stack. Double stack were never really meant for conceal carry and is overkill for a purely personal defensive pistol. While my earlier statment seems to contradict this, my conceal carry when I got the BD was for the line of work I'm in where firepower is necessary. Not so with a purely personal defense pistol.
My personal favorite single stack 9mm is a first generation Kahr TP9. The grip is a P9 frame with a T9 slide/barrel, the action is a true DOA. It's light weight, accurate, and low maintenance due to its polymer frame and stainless metal parts. Next favorite single stack in .45acp is of course is the 1911-A1.
Ya, those are my favorites also.
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