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For DA/SA CZ 75B cocked and locked v. decocked

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by msiley, Jun 29, 2009.

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  1. msiley

    msiley Member

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    I recently purchased a CZ 75B and love the gun.
    It is my first DA/SA handgun.

    As far as having the gun ready for operation, why not just
    have it cocked and locked instead of 'decocking' it manually with the hammer
    down on a round? Or when I decock it, am I supposed to put it in the half cocked
    position?

    It just seems a little risky every time I bring the hammer down on a live round.
     
  2. CZF

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    The nice thing about the CZ75B and other CZs is that you have options.

    Some carry C&L and some don't. What ever level of safety you want.

    I have no problems lowering the hammer , but I've also been doing it for
    almost 25 years now.

    Others are a bit fearful.. and I can understand that.

    I've only heard of one AD with a CZ75.. and that was an older one,
    operated by a buffoon.
     
  3. armoredman

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    If you like C&L, go for it. :) I like the decocker, and carry my CZs in the half cock. Welcome to the side of the light! :)

    silverplatter.jpg
     
  4. gb6491

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    I prefer cocked and locked myself.
    The manual says to lower the hammer to the firing pin stop on guns not equipped with a decocker.
    The decocker version lowers the hammer to the hammer safety notch position.
    Regards,
    Greg

    Link to the manual
     
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  5. BlindJustice

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    I have a CZ 75B

    RT*M - I believe the manual sez to drop the hammer manually to
    the Sadety Notch - which is what they call the "Half Cock" postion.

    The is where the 75BD decocker model lowers the hammer to. The
    way I manually lower the hammer is

    * I place my Off hand, i.e. Left index finger between the
    hammer and the firing pin

    * Pull the trigger to release the hammer and
    get the trigger finger off the trigger to let the
    trigger come forward fully

    * then using my Left index finger allow the hammer to come to rest
    at the safety/half cock position.

    So it's ready to go DA for the first shot, and I don't have to think
    about getting the safety off - it's a stiff safety and small knob on the
    safety - I'm an old school cocked and locked 1911 guy, and the 1911 is
    much easier to operate in C&L COndition One.

    Randall
     
  6. msiley

    msiley Member

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    Hey thanks guys! good info.

    This is my second CZ product (the other is a 452) and
    the quality of these firearms is superb. Now only if they
    made Cali. legal semi-autos. :)
     
  7. wnycollector

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    I carry my CZ-40B decocked. The main reason why I carry it like that is that ALL of my other pistols are DA/SA.
     
  8. loneviking

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    I've said it before, I'll repeat it again---it is a very dangerous thing to manually decock a semi-auto. That is one of the design flaws on the CZ. The second is the idea of carrying cocked and locked. If your safety comes off, you had better hope that it's your lucky day and that you have a very heavy leather or kydex holster. The SA pull is extremely light and can be set off by your shirt tail, or by things in your pocket IF your holster doesn't provide good protection. That's how I had an AD with a CZ 82, and that's why I now carry a Sig P6 which has a decocker and a heavy DA first shot.

    O.K., now you'll have a dozen guys telling you I'm full of crap and how safe all of this is. I'm the guy with the scars, I'd suggest you do some careful thinking on how you carry this gun.
     
  9. Ash

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    I certainly do not think it is a design flaw - I have decocked many pistols and revolvers. I do not do it cavalierly but never, ever, have had a problem. Even when doing dry-firing practice I have not had an accidental dropping of the hammer when decocking.

    Folks are certainly entitled to their opinions and there are folks who are afraid of cocked and locked or manual-decocking. Neither can be considered design flaws, though, as that would indicate a defect which prevents proper operation. For instance, the Type 94 had an external sear bar which could fire the pistol without pressing on the trigger. That was a design flaw. Cocked-and-locked are not design flaws.

    Ash
     
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    I have a 75 Compact w/o the decocker, so I have decocked mine many times. Have never had a problem.

    I'll wager you don't like 1911s either.
     
  12. BigJakeJ1s

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    IIRC, the CZ-82 does not have a trigger block on the firing pin, the CZ83 does (similar difference between CZ75 and CZ75B). Like Blind Justice said, get off the trigger as soon as the hammer is free (long before the hammer even gets to the half-cock notch). I use my off-hand thumb to let the hammer down on the HC notch easily, but there are many ways to do it safely. Practice a lot (while the pistol is empty).

    Carrying a pistol in your pocket w/o a good holster is not particularly safe, no matter what action it is. Safety is between the ears, not on the gun.

    Andy
     
  13. BlindJustice

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    One man's 'flaw' is anohter's 'feature'

    If you decock manuall with the thumb
    of your shooting hand, it's an accident waiting to
    happen...

    IMSNFO

    Randall
     
  14. GZOh_Jr

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    Just like it takes a certain degree of "training" to drive a car safely, obviously firearms require training to operate safely. But it seems to me that disregarding certain safety features (such as a decocker) is kind of like saying you don't need a seat belt because you can avoid accidents with proper training.

    To each is own. But manual decocking is by definition an accident waiting to happen. And don't even get me started on Glock's version of a safety whereby you can only pull the trigger by pulling the trigger...
     
  15. wally

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    Nonsense, as long as you use a proper interference technique like BlindJustice has described. I use the offhand thumb between the hammer face and the slide. Nothing is being held so nothing can slip.

    But I always carry cocked and locked if its an option.

    --wally.
     
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    And you've also made it clear that an inferior quality knock off of the Smart Carry holster is at least partially to blame for your AD.

    The CZ manual says the 75B is designed to be carried in the half cock position.

    If decocking really makes you nervous simply slip a cleaning rod through the hammer ring (whatever it's called) and use it as a T handle to lower the hammer to the half cock position.
     
  17. eerw

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    either way is good..I shoot CZs mostly in competition and the start position is to decock the hammer to the fully down position..easy enough..just like anything with guns, tools, etc. pay attention.

    I sometimes carry with the hammer decocked or C&L..all good..or otherwise I just carry a 1911.

    haven't shot my ass off yet ( KNOCK ON WOOD)
     
  18. armoredman

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    Manually decocked a Witness CZ clone for 13+ years, never an issue. Now I use decockers, and I am happy. :)
     
  19. Pilot

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    Just put your thumb in front of the hammer and gently lower the hammer onto your thumb then down tothe half cock or fully decocked position.
     
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