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? for officers about alerting you to my chl

Discussion in 'Legal' started by stevenhyde, Jun 27, 2009.

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  1. stevenhyde

    stevenhyde Member

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    i had a question about alerting an officer to your chl and weapon.

    there was a thread in another forum about a man in mcdonalds who called the cops on another man for various reasons.

    when the cop got there, the guy who called the cops(who also has the chl) told the cop(and everyone else in mcdonalds) that he has a chl and a gun.

    would it have been possible to show your chl card to the officer and ask him not to mention it to anyone else besides the other officers since no one else knew? i dont need 15 people in mcds knowning a carry.

    like as soon as he asks "who called the police" say "i did. can you look at this and not mention it to anyone else?" he may even recognize it if you hold it up.
     
  2. ClickClickD'oh

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    Just hand your DL and CHL to the officer. They've seen the dynamic duo of plastic often enough to know what is up.
     
  3. bigalexe

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    Why did the guy make the CHL known, was his carry weapon involved in an incident. It's my understanding that in general if you are doing something controversial (like carrying a gun or eating hot dogs at the monthly PETA meeting) then unless there's a reason you keep it quiet. I don't see a reason he needed to disclose his weapon at all.

    I made a mistake and got a funny look this week. I have some medical equipment I travel with that's very valuable and was about to board an aircraft. Due to the plane being delayed heavily they started requiring everyone to check large luggage and my dad beside me (i never travel alone) had the bag with equipment in it. I didn't want that to get checked and for some reason in a crowd of people used the dumbest statement possible "make sure you tell them (the baggage checkers that are famous for losing your stuff) I have $XX Grand in that bag." Now no-one said anything but we got a few stares like "*** are you a drug dealer?" I probably should have said "Tell them we have critical sensitive medical equipment." However thats not what i did.

    Basically if your in a situation where there's a crowd stay as low key as possible, keep your nose clean and think before you speak or act where other people can hear you. Holding up a concealed weapons permit and showing off your holstered pistol isn't the best way to be low key, just as saying you have $XX Grand in your luggage at an airport isn't either.
     
  4. stevenhyde

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    i believe he mentioned something about needing to announce his gun to the cop.
    i dont know for sure but i though i read somewhere about certain states requiring you to tell the officer about your chl pretty much whenever you speak to one.

    not the case in my state. we dont need to say anything here unless its relevant to the situation. i probably would mention it to an officer anyway. just cause i dont want to not mention it to that one p.o.s. officer....who hassles me.
     
  5. Five-O

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    My instructor at the CCW class said that when you're stopped by an officer, that you are to advice the officer that you have a concealed weapon and that you have a CCW. While you are saying this you are to keep your hands on the steering wheel. When the officer directs you to either step out or show your CCW permit, then do so. And of course concealed means exactly that. You cannot have it in plain view or in your glove box or anywhere within reach. No mention was made re: revealing that you have a CCW permit at any time except when involved in a traffic stop.

    btw, I was reading online about the bus system in SLC (UTA) and in there it says "no weapons allowed on the bus." So I called the bus customer service office, inquiring if I could have a weapon on the bus with a CCW permit and the lady said, "you *can* carry on the bus. As long as it's concealed."
     
  6. rrruuunnn

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    I've had the cops arrive at our business several times with my CHL. The cop will ask for my driver's license. When I hand the cops my CHL, they never talk about it in front of the employees or customers.

    When I'm pulled over alone, they will ask where is the gun and what kind.
     
  7. Zach S

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    And unless they're anti-gun, most will handle it with discretion. In my area anyway.
     
  8. usmarine0352_2005

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    It depends on your state.


    Some states require you to tell officers, some don't.



    If you said, "Sir, just so you know, I have a CCW license and I have my pistol on me, or in my glove box" that's fine.


    Personally, if you never said anything, I probably wouldn't care.


    Now, if I was taking you out of your car, then I would want you to say, "Sir, just so you know, I am a CCW holder and I have my pistol on me."

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  9. Deanimator

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    Not kosher in Ohio. You MUST verbally inform "in a timely manner" (no definition of "timely"). Not doing so is a crime for which people have been prosecuted.
     
  10. stevenhyde

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    "must verbally inform" see that sounds dumb to me. i mean yea its obvious you should alert the officer, but just saying it around strangers.....not really concealed anymore.

    shhhhh.its supposed to be a secret.:banghead:

    plus what if youre mute? you cant get your chl? rhetorical question.

    as of now my state doesnt make you say anything so im not too worried.
     
  11. D94R

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    I never use public transportation here, but, I'm pretty sure UTA is state funded and they technically can not tell you how to carry or deny your transportation because of that either.

    Someone else from Utah might be able to confirm this for us.
     
  12. Deanimator

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    If I remember correctly, Cleveland RTA buses are NOT posted, but RTA buildings ARE. That means that you could take an RTA bus. That would make all rapid trains off limits since they can ONLY be accessed from RTA buildings.

    A few months ago, I had several hours to kill waiting for my muffler to be replaced in Cleveland. I walked as far as the Brook Park rapid station out of boredom, just to see if it was posted. If it wasn't, I was going to take the rapid downtown for lunch. In fact it was.
     
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    State law in Alaska requires notifications upon first "official contact"
    with leo. Easiest is to hand over DL and Concealed Carry Handgun
    Permit. If you are carrying and do not have permit, you still need
    to inform leo. Permits are not required here, but make travel to
    states with reciprocity a better experience.
     
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    We have preemption in Utah that covers anything state funded. The gist is, if it's state funded they must follow state law. If memory serves me right though, based on readings from Opencarry.com, UTA is still one of the state places trying to enforce their own rules.
     
  15. onlymeself

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    In Wyoming you have to disclose. In that case you have outlined I would hand the LEO my drivers license and CHL. He is then going to ask whether I'm carrying at present time. Not sure how discreet they are going to be about it though. But if I were an LEO I would be discreet so as not to cause people to panic.
     
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    Timely manner I'd guess means as quickly as possible as it pertains to the situation. If the cop stops you, and comes to collect your drivers license and registration, that CCW better be in the pile of stuff you hand him or her right quick.
     
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    I was working gate security one time and got to talking to an old timer because he had something taped to the back of his license. He explained what must inform laws were and showed me how he used clear packaging tape to hinge his CCP to his divers license. He said that if the cops wanted to nitpick and say he didn't inform them, that they could never say that they didn't know if they stopped him.
     
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    This post makes no sense to me. What the hell does it matter if you have a concealed weapons permit when you call the police? What was the reason the po-po was called? Was the guy creating a disturbance?

    There just isn't enough info to make a reasonable response to the OP. It would help to know what state the incident took place in. As has been said, some states require disclosure, some don't. Even if you must disclose, you should do so discreetly, not announce it to the world.
     
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    Who cares if everybody in McD's knows you carry?

    I could care less.

    AFS
     
  21. onlymeself

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    Our drivers license is flag on the computer that we are permit holders. So whenever our driver license is run it comes up. (personally I wish it was on our drivers license, since they are connected in the computer) I couldn't find the law on this, so maybe it isn't law. But where it's going to come up when the run us, it's probably best to be up front about it. Or maybe the law changed and I just haven't found it yet. Kind of like our new self defense law is not where you would expect to find it in the statutes.
    All I know for certain is that I just finish my class for CHL and was told we had to disclose.
     
  22. stevenhyde

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    This post makes no sense to me. What the hell does it matter if you have a concealed weapons permit when you call the police? What was the reason the po-po was called? Was the guy creating a disturbance?
    ummmmmm. all i know is the guy said in his state anytime you have a convo with an officer you need to inform them, whether or not its relevant to the situation
    There just isn't enough info to make a reasonable response to the OP. It would help to know what state the incident took place in. As has been said, some states require disclosure, some don't. Even if you must disclose, you should do so discreetly, not announce it to the world.

    it doesnt matter what state its in. i was looking for peoples experiences in their own states. IF your state requires you to announce it.....how would you go about it.

    oh, and airforceshooter. thanks for nothing, way to up your post count and not help. reminds me why i just browse forums and dont participate much
     
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    In fact, that is NOT required in Ohio. You must NOTIFY. You are only required to produce your CHL ON REQUEST. Once you notify, if the cop doesn't ask for it, you don't need to show it to him. Apparently, they frequently don't, mostly because your CHL is tied to your license plates.

    Once you "promptly" (whatever that means) notify, you're done unless ASKED to display the license.
     
  24. SCKimberFan

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    This guy was in McD's not his car. Drivers license tie-in is immaterial to the post.

    However:

    You are correct, all you know for certain is that you were told you had to disclose. You should look it up for yourself. Google: Your state's Concealed Carry Laws.

    It most certainly does. If you are not required to inform and it is not applicable to the situation, keep quiet about it.

    I think this answered that question:

     
  25. campbell

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    Even if you're not required, an officer will appreciate you giving a heads up. Surprises involving guns no es bueno.

    And yes, concealed carry is fine on public transit in UT.
     
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