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Ford can deny its cars to sheriff, judge rules

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  1. Bubbles

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    Hello gun manufacturers... this applies to you also!

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1233165/posts?page=7

    Ford can deny its cars to sheriff, judge rules
    St Petersburg Times
    09/29/2004
    Associated Press

    SHALIMAR - Ford Motor Co. can refuse to sell police cars to Florida law enforcement agencies that join a lawsuit against the automaker over fuel tank fires, a judge has ruled.

    Circuit Judge G. Robert Barron denied Okaloosa County Sheriff Charlie Morris' request that he order Ford to resume selling cars to his department Monday. Ford has refused to sell Crown Victoria interceptors to Morris since July 2003, a year after he sued.

    The suit claims the full-size, V-8-powered, four-door sedans have exploded in flames when struck from behind at high speed, in some cases killing officers. It blames poor design.

    Barron last month granted class action status, permitting other Florida law enforcement agencies to join the lawsuit. No deadline for joining has been set.

    With Barron's ruling in hand, Ford also will refuse to sell the cars to any other agency that participates in the suit, said company lawyer David Cannella.

    "It's fundamentally illogical for Sheriff Morris to, on one hand, sue us and, on the other hand, seek the court to order (Ford) to sell him more vehicles," he said.

    An attorney for Morris, Don Barrett, has said that although the sheriff views the Ford interceptors as defective, he wants to buy new ones to replace aging cars because seeking other vehicles would be more costly.

    Morris' lawyers say there have been 14 accidents nationwide in which Ford interceptors caught fire after being rear-ended. Ford attorneys say that represents 0.01 percent of its interceptors on the road - none of them Morris' cars.
     
  2. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

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    Wouldn't it be amusing if law enforcement officers in the various people's republics had to turn to the black market to find hand guns?
     
  3. Shanghai McCoy

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    Whats next,a lawsuit against Dunkin donuts because free donuts make cops fat?:D
     
  4. gwitness

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    I worked for a Ford dealership during the "recall" for the exploding cruisers.
    I performed a few of the "fixs".

    Suffice it to say....I was not impressed with the "fix"












    edited for speeling:D
     
  5. 2nd Amendment

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    Dumbest thing GM ever did was drop the big RWD Caprice. Forced cops all across the country in to Fords and a great many of them weren't too happy about it. :) The rolling brown turds, as many sheriifs deputies called Caprices when they first came out, may not have been very pretty but they sure were quick and tough.

    One of the sure signs of the myriad problems with the big Fords can be seen at auction. Old '94 retired Caprices with a couple hundred k on the clock will bring as much or more than '98 Vics with half the miles. Of course that itself says something too, when they are retiring these cars at barely over 100k. Personally I think I'd be suing Ford over those lousy transmissions. :D
     
  6. crucible

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    As he clearly still wants the cars depsite being 'defectively designed' and firetraps to his officers, I see nothing wrong with this at all. (He can buy Chevy Monte Carlos if the officers' lives were so important and the Fords are so defective-but that isn't happening, so it cannot be the officer's lives that he's primarily concerned with).

    In fact, the idea that in high speed rear end collisions on any vehicle, that the occupant should not be injured (or killed) and the vehicle not damaged (or totally friggen smashed), is ludicrous. Perhaps his problem is with physics, rather than Crown Victorias.

    Go Ford.

    Cruc
     
  7. M1911Owner

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    Ah, come on, you're putting us one, right?? "These things are dangerous, but we want to buy more of them because they're cheap." What do you want---Good? Or cheap?

    Maybe they'd like to buy some Wolf steel-cased FMJs for carry ammo?
     
  8. Freedspeak

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    Wasn't there another thread about maybe gun manufacturers not selling to states/cities that were suing them?

    The argument was about rico act in regards to the gun folks, but if it works for the car comapnies it should work for anyone else. (Presidence if I'm not mistaken) sp
     
  9. Destructo6

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    GM has been doing a lot of those incredibly dumb things. The elimination of both a full size RWD sedan (Caprice) and pony car (Camaro) has allowed Ford full control of those market segments. Also, the introduction of the atrocious Aztec and similar styling (designer should have been fired and sued, not promoted). I'm half amazed they're still afloat.

    Well, Sheriff Morris could always order Volvo police cars. Oops, those are FoMoCo, too.

    Good to see that the Judge and the blue oval saw it the same way.
     
  10. dinosaur

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    I have a 95 Caprice 9C1 with the LT1 motor. Great ride and fast! But wait'll you get a load of the 2005 Dodge Charger!:what: 340 horse 4 door RWD sedan! More practical than the Chrysler 300. I think the Dodge Boys are back in bidnizz!:D
     
  11. dinosaur

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    Couldn't attach the pic to my last post.
     

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    Ford:

    Fix Or Repair Daily

    Found On Road Dead

    :neener:
     
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    You forgot F***ed On Race Day

    Of course, since we are going this way, here is what I have to say about the Dodges:

    Mostly Old Parts And Rust or Moments Of Performance Are Rare.
     
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    Don't forget my personnel favorite - F#@%ing Old Rebuilt Dodge.
     
  15. Coronach

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    The problem is, as already explained, that there are no really good options for cruisers other than the Crown Vic.

    Chevy's idea was that PDs would go to the Impala for standard patrol, or to the Tahoe if they needed a larger vehicle. They ran into the Goldilocks effect- the Impala is too small (and decidedly not-fast and unreliable in the bargain), and the Tahoe is too big. The Caprice used to be just right. But, now its dead.

    Instead, PDs went to the Crown Vic in droves. Its not quite as roomy as a Caprice, but it tops out at about the same speed (though, the Caprice will get there faster) and is a better handling vehicle. It, uh, also has the added benefit of still being built.

    As to the right of FoMoCo to deny sales to someone who is sueing it? Sounds OK to me.

    Mike

    PS Supposedly, there is an actual problem with the vehicles. The Chiefs are not, as was asserted, living in a fantasyland where they don't expect vehicles to be damaged. They DO, however, fully expect that the vehicles not burst into flames like trucks on a CBS news special report. ;)
     
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    exploding fords..does ralph nader know bout this..???
     
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    In talking to one of the local Hi-Po, after the demise of the Caprice (which he wasn't happy about); he said GM was really pushing the Tahoe. He was skeptical, citing it was to large to handle well and go fast enough.

    In testing it proved other wise. He said the dept. took several of the vehicles and ran them through a variety of tests and it performed very well.

    Yet I have never seen one in TX DPH trim. Expense?

    Weights and measures are driving Ford and Dodge pickups, ever other vehicel I see are Crown Vics. Used to see a Camaro or Mustang....not anymore.

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    ...and is a better handling vehicle.

    Man, I haven't driven any for awhile but I remember the #2 complaint, after losuy acceleration compared to the Caprice, was lousy boat-wallow handling from the Vics. I suppose they've probably improved over the years but if so they haven't shared those improvements with Lincoln(same car, different trim). This year's top-of-the-line Town Car can't even begin to keep up with my old '94 Fleetwood(same car as the Caprice, different trim and some sheet metal)in a straight line or curves, even though Ford has had another 10 years of development.

    I'd say I'd go buy one just to play with it next week but there are indeed problems with the cars. And while I may not have to worry about exploding CBS fuel tanks the transmissions cost around $1500 so, either way, my wallet gets torched.
     
  19. Bob Locke

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    Sounds like a pretty good point for the defense to bring out at the trial.
     
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    wouldn't?

    "An attorney for Morris, Don Barrett, has said that although the sheriff views the Ford interceptors as defective, he wants to buy new ones to replace aging cars because seeking other vehicles would be more costly."



    would not this open the sheriff to lawsuites by the family of any officer hurt while driving one of these cars???????????????
     
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    Yet the lives of the officers riding in them would be quite cheap to replace, yes?:cuss:



    To hell with it. Just go get a fleet of 1985 Caprices and refit them. It would still be cheaper than the Crown Vics, its got actual *MachoMan Randy Savage* STEEL */MMRS* in it, and with the addition of a 385 Fast Burn Crate engine, I should think that you would put those Vic's in their place, ie: your dust. :evil:



    And its a sad day when the name "Charger" is slapped on a 4-door family sedan, much like the Nova's of the 1980's...:barf:
     
  22. DRZinn

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    I'm no lawyer, but it seems to me that a strategically superior course of action might have been to go ahead and sell him more vehicles, then go to court and ask, "Well, if they suck so bad why'd you buy more of 'em, huh? Huh?"

    Then again, if the Crown Vic is half as bad as all you guys are saying, maybe this'll be a good push to buy something else.
     
  23. Don Gwinn

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    Moparmike, are you kidding? I'm hearing Hemi and RWD or AWD options for the Charger, just like the 300. Cars have four doors now; it's what most modern drivers were raised with, and having back doors is a hard habit to break.
    Besides, most 4-doors today are shorter, lighter and stiffer than 2-doors were in the thrilling days of yesteryear.
    (Yes, I know, that means that modern 2-doors should be even more shorter, lighter and stiffer. What can I say? You can't have everything.)
     
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    Don, only if they put that supercharger package they were originally going to put into the Magnum into the Charger. 430 Horsepower.


    *Tim Allen Grunt*:D
     
  25. cracked butt

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    Dodge is behind the curve anyhow with Pontiac putting its new GTO out earlier this year.:D
     
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