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Forest Service officer's killer was violating probation

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by rainbowbob, Sep 22, 2008.

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  1. rainbowbob

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    This unfortunate incident was reported today. Two innocent lives were lost as a result of the release of a dangerous felon.

    Other points of interest include the fact that his ex-wife lost her teaching job because she insisted on carrying a firearm to school to protect herself from this killer. She knew the protection order she was issued wasn't going to stop him - only bullets would. She was right.

     
  2. Treo

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    Stricter gun laws would have prevented this, Sarah Brady said so.
     
  3. halfbreed808

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    Rehabilitation should mean really hard work for long hours with very little pay. Then you have to pay rent for your room and meals while in prison. But instead we've created a criminals college by giving them all of their rights and free time. We've just add more and more pieces to the network of BGs. Yeah they're kept away from society but only for so long, they eventually get out. Then they'll more than likely reoffend sometimes with higher costs. We need harher punishments not longer prison terms. If we followed an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth in our judical punishments we'd have alot less crime. Boy the ACLU would love that. :banghead:
    Okay enough of my rant, it just pisses me off when a known felon takes the lives of good people.
    Sorry for the families of those who were lost, my deepest condolences.:(
     
  4. Catherine

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    You never know who or what you might meet 'out there' or anywhere.

    I read this story and almost put it up myself earlier.

    I am sad to hear about the death. She could protect herself but something went 'wrong'.

    Think about ALL of the people in this country, woods/wilderness and city/suburbs, who do NOT have the right to protect themselves because the 'law' says it is NOT allowed.

    Think about this too. Since the VICTIM was in police work - her killer will get his just dues eventually. If you or I got raped, hurt badly and/or KILLED - if they caught the criminal who killed me - my killer might not automatically get the 'death penalty' because after all, my life is worth less to the 'law' and court system. In many cases, killers - admitted killers or ones found GUILTY through a fair and speedy TRIAL - don't get put down for being a KILLER and many of them do not always get life sentences. I do believe in the death penalty along with being certain of the evidence.

    It goes back to the saying, "What makes your life worth anymore than mine?" Nothing, absolutely nothing.

    So in REAL life, many people are not allowed by 'law' to protect themselves. Meanwhile the criminals and killers who don't give a rat's @@@ about SAID LAW do their dirty deeds. Then if the person who is NOT allowed to protect himself, gets KILLED and becomes a VICTIM, the said KILLER (If found, put to trial AND found guilty.) might not even get put to death because it was a non police person that he killed. If he killed a police person, he would get an automatic DEATH sentence. Dual standard again on 'laws' for self protection and laws for the KILLER of ANY VICTIM anywhere in the US of A.

    I am still upset that Manson and his ILK are still alive and living on tax dollar money too.

    I don't understand WHY she left her DOG in her vehicle. I am sure that there is much more to this story. I would have my gun and my dog with me if that was my job.

    I am SAD for the victim of this crime and for ALL victims especially the ONES who LIVE IN places where they do NOT have the right to protect themselves.

    May she rest in peace and may her family get some peace too. That goes for all of the other victims and their families.

    Catherine
     
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  5. TexasRifleman

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    A criminal broke the law? I'm shocked I tell you, shocked. And did it in a National Forest where we are told by our Congress Critters that we're safe and don't need guns?

    This must be a made up story. Could never happen.
     
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    That's an interesting observation about the dog being found in her vehicle. Stopping a vehicle in a remote area with no plates on it:you'd think that would put you on high alert.
     
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    I think families of those killed by paroles and earyl released need to get together and go to Congress. I am tired of this crap. Reminds me of a case here in AR back in late 1970's. Paul Ruiez and Earl Van Detton(sp of name may be wrong) from OK killed a small town policeman and wounded a ranger when they put them in the trunk and shot into it. The Ranger was a patient of mine. It took years to kill these guys even though they had a eye-witness. Still makes me angry. The government has blood on its hands and nothing is done.
     
  8. rainbowbob

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    This is the follow-up to the story I copied yesterday. I don't usually post long copies of news articles...but this story has so many points of discussion I thought it would be useful for us at THR.

    As TexasRifleman noted - this killer was operating in a National Forest. A "gun-free" zone, if I'm not mistaken.

    I would suggest this is a good example of why convicted violent felons should be restricted from possession of firearms. It makes it possible to lock them up again if they are making threats and behaving violently while illegally possessing a firearm. The key is - he should have been locked up for a long time for the multiple parole violations and weapons violations - but he wasn't.

    Another point is the violation of the ex-wife's right to protection when she lost her teaching job for violating their "zero-tolerance" policy by arming herself against this maniac.

     
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    We have become too polite for our own safety. I for one have learned from this story to not be embarassed to say, "That's close enough Mister", especially in a remote area. Hope I never need to put it into practice.

    We used to call night shift "The Sewer Shift", a time when the manhole covers opened up and all the dredges of society would walk in the moonlight, seems like the sewers are always open nowadays.
     
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    I almost posted that article, too. The list of Washington State murders committed by parolees is getting way too long.

    FYI, national forests are not gun-free zones. Under current rules, national parks are gun-free zones.
     
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    I dont think its a hard and fast rule though. Guns are banned in Cherokee National Forest in TN, as well as Land Between The Lakes, which is under the Forest Service. I would bet there are other National Forests that dont allow firearms as well.
     
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    I'm interested (and saddened) in the tie to the ex-wife's story. She knew she needed protection from this individual, and she did what she could to be responsible for her own safety.

    Thanks to completely pointless laws, she lost her job as a result.

    I really, really hope we get incorporation of the RKBA at the state level, and soon.

    Followed by the recognition of the right to self defense as a civil right, that cannot be taken away by national parks, federal buildings, states, counties, cities or businesses.

    I knew this federal officer. She patrolled the area where I work. So I'm completely in agreement with the other half of this problem. Why was this "problem" loose? Why wasn't he behind bars, where he belonged? It's the system, I know...

    Sorry for the rant, but I'm tired of hearing about victims. I simply do not understand why it is "politically incorrect" to push for the right to not be a victim.
     
  13. rainbowbob

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    That's also the part I fail to understand. He was known to be dangerous. He made threats against several people. He was illegally in possession of a variety of weapons. He repeatedly violated parole.

    Why was he walking around free to kill innocent people? And why does this question come up over and over? It seems most every time a violent act is committed - it is by a repeat offender known to be dangerous who has been let out of prison for reasons unfathomable.
     
  14. 4v50 Gary

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    I think we need to reinstitute the ancient Greek punishment of ostracism. You get kicked out and banished forever. Some place like the Workers' Paradise would make quick work of criminals like Roe.
     
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