Discussion in 'Legal' started by berettaprofessor, Jul 30, 2022.
don’t lose your key knives everyone!
Per their own web page, "pocket knives" can be in checked baggage.
And "nail clippers" can be in carry-on.
But, all that is down to what the Alert status is at the specific airport, and if that specific airport is using its own SOP for things.
There had been a rule that you were allowed a 50mm long blade--victorinox pen knife size--but, that appears to be superseded (again).
Beigh TSA PreCheck seems to matter, too. I flew with a Victorinox Gentleman's Companion several months in a row mixed in with the pocket clutter, only to have to give it up on one trip through DFW. $5 knife, so, not an issue to me.
On March 6, 2013 the TSA announced that it was going to allow blades less than 2.36 inches back on planes starting April 25. April 23, two days before the new rule allowing small knives back on planes would go into effect, TSA announced that it would delay the change due to backlash from various groups (I watched the most ridiculous claims being made during that month and a half). The change to allow small knives back on planes died before there was any implementation. While there was a month of hope, knives have never been allowed by TSA on flights since the 9/11 reaction. Plenty get through TSA screening, especially small ones, but that's just luck. Luck runs out.
The problem is, once you lose a freedom (liberty), it's very hard to get it back. The precedent was well-established for the TSA to enforce these restrictions, and reversing it after cabins were secured doesn't appear to have happened.
But last I heard they greenlighted knitting needles. Has that changed again?
If someone can successfully hijack and airliner using a P38 can opener, every single person aboard that aircraft deserves their fate.
I keep a small key knife on my key chain, about 1” blade. I have some deputies look at it and say “sorry that’s a no go, you have to leav it here with me.” I’ve had just as many say “yeah that not a problem.” and even chuckle like why you even ask.
It just depends on who you get. I have no doubt they’d miss it every time if I didn’t point it out and ask.
How about someone post a link to the rules & regs? That way, we can have a discussion fit for Legal.
It's a real rabbit hole.
Looks like we start at 49 USC 114: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/114
Where we find
So, then, 49 USC 4901 : https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/44901
Eventually, I got to 49 CFR 1562.23: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/1562.23
Where the last paragraph sent me to 49 CFR 1540.111: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/1540.111
Which tells me all about explosives, firearms and ammunition, but nothing about prohibited items.
We will likely need a better sleuth than I.
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(how a cleaver is not a "knife" or a saber not a sword is beyond my ken)
(For @old lady new shooter Knitting and crochet needles are listed as allowed items in the cabin under "Toys"--this subject to local TAS interpretation,of course.)
TSA agents ultimately have discretion to deny items as being too dangerous.
Not sure what you're saying, but Cleavers, Sabers, and Swords are all identified as prohibited at https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2003/02/14/03-3736/prohibited-items
You can take a picture of what you want to bring with you in the cabin, go to their Twitter or FB Messenger app, post the pic and a question if it is allowed. I recommend you print out the response and take it with you with the item you sent the picture of so you can show the response to the TSA agent if there's any question.
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