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Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Yo Mama, Jul 21, 2018.

  1. Yo Mama

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    Between the 320 and 365 problems, I have no desire to buy a sig now or ever in the future. I was lusting after both and would have bought both but no fricking way would I have now. Going from a company built on reliability its disturbing to see the end purchaser becoming the beta tester. For the money why cant they get this right here?

    I'm not the only one one and Sig better start focusing on quality control unless they want this to be their legacy. Dont release a gun till its ready what a concept. Sad to see it but sig is sucking at the gun game lately.
     
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  2. Tommygunn

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    I think SIG has been using buyers as beta-testers for years now. They did this with the P238 auto, and the seemingly now defunct 556 series of EBRs they were marketing 7 or 8 years ago.
     
  3. NIGHTLORD40K

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    Meh, at least it appears that they are moving quickly to address the problems and fix them. Unlike Remington which took, what, 3 years, to get the R51 right.....ish.

    That said, I won't be grabbing either of those pistols anytime soon. I've got my SIG legacy covered-
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    If you want reliable Tupperware, get a Glock. If you want a SIG, get a classic German one and be happy forever......
     
  4. Good Ol' Boy

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    Forget cheap Sig's maybe.

    I would still gladly take a 226 Legion.
     
  5. JR24

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    Agreed, I am (im)patiently waiting for the Legion 229 SAO to come out.

    But, yeah, while the 365 I had worked perfectly I am unlikely to buy any plastic Sigs any time soon (2022 excepted, though i don't need one right now).
     
  6. Varminterror

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    They’re selling a boatload. I don’t think they’ll miss your business.

    My wife carries a 320SC, I use a full size RX for PRS type matches, and I just got a 365 for myself. Among a fleet of about 50, maybe 60 by now concealable compact, subcompact, and micro pistols, I can’t say there’s been any hiccups at all with our N=3 experiences.
     
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  7. somethingbenign

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    I know half a dozen guys that own either a 320 or 365 and one guy owns both. One 365 broke the firing pin on the 4th shot with no dry fires before hand. Otherwise no issues and to SIG's credit they have been right on top of the broken pin. Even with that I still don't think I could trust either model and maybe even the next one after, amazing how fleeting that trust is. I still want a 239 with a 40 and 357 sig barrels, don't think any number of bad press is going to scare me off that.
     
  8. JR24

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    Didnt they discontinue that model? I have its fatter brother in .45 (Sig P245) and dont love the size, too big of hands.

    Shoots good though.
     
  9. sigarms228

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    SIG makes some of the best pistols in the world and also some not ready for prime time IMO such as P365 . Pretty much anything released new since the P250 has been problematic at the time of release but they often are solid pistols by the next "unofficial" generation. I think it is silly to totally write off SIG because of the newer blunders. The P220, P226, P229, SP2022 are solid pistols, even the new ones. There are TONS of older SIGs such as the P220, P226, P228, P229, P239 available used or CPO. I have seen a couple nice German P226s at LGS at $599. If one does not anything new SIG for whatever reason look at the used ones, particularly around year 2000 and earlier.
     
  10. somethingbenign

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    Sadly, yes. My buddy has one in 40 and it was the pistol he trained me on. He hates to shoot it but he inherited it from his late father so no way he'd sell it. I do see them for sale with both barrels on Armslist every so often but out of state and they don't want to ship. A boy can dream.
     
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  11. JR24

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    It is amusing that years ago I did the same type of search for a p245 or 220 compact because I thought it would be my dream carry gun. Eventually I gave up and moved on to carrying other guns.

    Then this P245 basically fell into my lap, a trade for an extra Glock 19 I never shot and, I think, won in a raffle.

    Turns out it doesnt fit me well at all, but is accurate and reliable with finish beat up enough that it's not really worth selling.

    For a carry .45 that size my Kimber Ultra II fits me better.

    It's just interesting how tastes and needs change through life.
     
  12. George P

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    And yet the 365 is almost impossible to get, and when they show up in a store, they sell out in 30 minutes. Thousands have been sold, and yes they had some issues at the beginning. Now, however, all the folks I know who have one, swear by them, not at them as being a great gun with flawless functioning. I guess unless you have owned one or fired your friend's, I wouldn't put too much stock in naysayers who "read about it on the internet". JMO, YMMV
     
  13. ArchAngelCD

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    IMO their all metal pistols are of extremely high quality and are the ones that have a high price tag. Their fairly new polymer pistols cost no more than most others. Any time a company expands there are some growing pains and it's how they handle problems that counts, again, IMO.
     
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  14. JO JO

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    The 229 & 226 are great products, the newer models seem not as the same quality as the classic Sigs but they are also not in the same price range either
    You can not expect a $500 Sig to be the same quality as a $1000 Sig ,
     
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  15. jmr40

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    But a $500 Glock or $400 M&P is at least as durable, reliable and accurate as the $1000 Sigs. I've had a couple of Sig 226's and a 229. For what they are they are good guns. But I've never felt it did anything better than my Glocks and I was never crazy about the DA/SA. In fact I just sold my last Sig this morning, I never used it anymore. There is no reason why their plastic guns couldn't be as good as every one elses.

    I really wanted to buy the 320 and may at some point, but the "issues" I keep reading about have kept me away They are available locally for $449 OTD which is a decent price. I had a chance to buy a M&P 2.0 with the 1911 style safety for $399 OTD and decided to buy it instead. I rented the Sig and shot both side by side and can honestly say I liked the Smith better. Just as well, as I like my Glocks. Plus I wanted something as a dedicated nightstand gun and like the idea of a thumb safety on a gun not kept in a holster.
     
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  16. someguy2800

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    Teething problems with a new product is understandable. What I have a problem with is a company lying and misleading people about a problem and continuing to sell the same product. I have seen several times now people report either the broken firing pin or broken trigger spring to Sig and being told this is the first time they have ever seen that break. Based on the number of reports there are on the internet and the many many more that are not on the internet, the only conclusion that makes sense is its either their first day on the job or they are all being told to lie about it.
     
  17. JR24

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    The "voluntary upgrade" for a dangerously un drop safe gun rubbed me the wrong way.

    Call it a recall like it is and move on.
     
  18. SharpDog

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    p226 Legion 20180517_164654.jpg

    And my favorite Sig:

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    I also have these (p290RS):

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    Sig makes great pistols, I'm not ready to count them out!
     
  19. JeeperCreeper

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    I have always loved SIGs even as a kid when I had a "gun bible" and would flip the pages and drool over the P226.

    Nowadays, I still like SIG, but I will wait until the Gen2 models come out if I wanna buy one. It's pretty common for a company to gain a big contract and have QC suffer trying to tool up and catch up without expanding prematurely.

    So for me, I'll hit pause on polymer SIGs for a little. Besides, there are some great deals to be had today on platforms that don't have teething issues
     
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  20. paulsj

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    I would add Ruger to that mix.
     
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  21. Fiv3r

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    I've had most of the major polymer pistol lines (Glock, M&P, FN, Ruger, etc). None of them hold a candle to the 320 in terms of shootability and accuracy (in my hands, of course). I'm not a SIG fanboy. This is my first one, though the 2022 has been on my rotating short list for years.

    The only thing keeping me from the 365 is the price tag. I simply get by just fine with a pocket 380 or super slim single stack. If I want more than 8 rounds, I'll just grab the 320.

    I've enjoyed my SIG, and I will probably get another one. I'd love to get a 226, but I have moved away from DA pistols for the most part. Pistols, for me, are either striker or SA. DA I prefer in revolvers.

    What I appreciate about the 320 is that SIG seems to be committed to maintaining the quality/fix the issues due mostly in part to being a military sidearm. Which brings me to my second appreciation, 320 parts, springs, barrels, grips, etc will be readily available for a generation. While I have been an unabashed FN fan, their constant rotation of produced guns with expensive magazines that do not interchange has put the 509 out of my "must buy" category. At least I know that the 320 will be fixable for decades to come, and the new upgrades trigger is pretty sweet for a striker.
     
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  22. 460Shooter

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    For all metal auto loaders I like Sig and Beretta. For half plastic auto loaders I like HKs.

    I'm happy.

    If we write off every gun company that had growing pains or some bad guns get released, I don't think anyone would own any guns.

    But whatever, buy what makes you happy.
     
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  23. Riomouse911

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    Back when everyone carried a DA-SA auto I owned a 226 that was a great gun, but I bought a H&K .45 and then traded the 226 away for a win 94 trapper in .44 mag. The trapper just called to me I guess...

    I am more of a striker gun guy now, and carry a Glock 34 daily. I still have a 228 that I shoot every once in a while, and a Mosquito that I shoot even less. As for the 320 and 365, I am disappointed that Sig SAUER couldn’t work out more of the bugs before shipping them instead of fixing stuff on the fly. It’s easy to get a bad rep in the digital age, and it’s hard to get rid of one.

    Stay safe!
     
  24. Pat Riot

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    It’s a shame that gun companies are acting like the tech companies relying on the customers to test their products.

    I am one of the “lucky” Remington R51 early Gen 2 testers...Grrrr. My gun is languishing at the factory as I write this.

    I came very close to buying a P365 but the salesman at Cabela’s gave me the low down and I walked. I asked him why he was basically turning away a sale. He said he had bought 2 P365s. A Gen 1 and a Gen 2. He felt it was his duty to steer people clear until Sig got it together. I ended up buying a Glock 19X. Very happy with my choice.
     
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  25. Mn Fats

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    I've owned a glock 19 and sold it. Just hated the damn gun. Trigger. Grip angle. Sights. Picked up a Sig P320c, after a small sight adjustment, I love it. I swore off polymers after my Glock experience but this Sig can put a mag into the back end of a pop can at 25 yards no problem. I'm sure the glock could have to, just not in my hands is all.
     
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