Four Inches

[Jim Watson]

Bring me up to date, I haven't shot Long Range in some time.

On Baen's Bar there was a link to the usual inane YouTube oohing and aahing over the Hungarian GM6 Lynx Bullpup .50 BMG (or 12.7mm) long recoil semiautomatic.
https://gm6lynx.com/

To which a couple of Barflies commented:

"At 1k, with standard Ball or Tracer, I can put 5 rounds into a head size target, with a 20 power scope and depending on weather conditions and all the other considerations,"

"He complains about the accuracy, but a well trained Marksman could likely make four inch groups at a thousand meters with standard ball"

Really? With ball ammo?

Heard at gun store, customer had taken a riflery course from an instructor who could demonstrate and teach hitting a 4" plate at 1000 yards. No doubt real target or precision gun and ammo, but how often?

 

[dieselchief]

i have pulled targets in hipower pits for high masters that could do that at 600 yards. dedicated shooter with dedicated ammo. edited to add, not with issue ball ammo for any rifle though. fwiw.

 

[Jim Watson]

So have I. But not in accordance with Case 1, a military weapon with ball ammo. Case 2, a few days of class. Both at 1000 yards.

 

[dieselchief]

exactly sir.

 

[someguy2800]

These are the kind of guys that fish like this

 

[Riomouse911]

I couldn’t even see a 4” target some 3,000 feet away.

Stay safe.

 

[adcoch1]

I couldn’t even see a 4” target some 3,000 feet away.

Stay safe.

They just forgot to put the 2 in front of the 4.

 

[WestKentucky]

1000meters guesstimated equates to 300 meters measured.

 

[Barmcd]

Watch Texas Plinking on YouTube. The first challenge is hitting a 10” gong at 1000 yards within 10 shots. If they hit that target, they get to try for the 5” gong. Very few shooters hit the second one and that’s with match ammo and some pretty exotic weaponry.

 

[jmorris]

Really? With ball ammo?

Heard at gun store...

From what I have heard anything is possible in gun stores, bars and anyplace fishermen hang out.

Personally, I've seen more mermaids than 4" groups at 1000 yards with ball ammo.

 

[JFrank]

I use Long Range Benchrest equipment, finely tuned ammunition to get that done. If guys can average 5 inch five shot groups for the day you’ll be competitive, nowadays 3-4 inch aggs place into the top ten ~ depending on conditions of course..

Jim

 

[hps1]

i have pulled targets in hipower pits for high masters that could do that at 600 yards. dedicated shooter with dedicated ammo. edited to add, not with issue ball ammo for any rifle though. fwiw.

So have I. But not in accordance with Case 1, a military weapon with ball ammo. Case 2, a few days of class. Both at 1000 yards.

From what I have heard anything is possible in gun stores, bars and anyplace fishermen hang out.

This is @ 600 yards and not ball ammo; there is a world of difference between 600 & 1000. The 15th shot took out wooden spindle placed in the 14th bullet hole.

 

[Weflyfast]

Not BALL ammo-

 

[JFrank]

Not BALL ammo-View attachment 1266705

if you shot that at a grand’ it’s a very good group of seven shots.
J

 

[General Geoff]

"He complains about the accuracy, but a well trained Marksman could likely make four inch groups at a thousand meters with standard ball"

I do not think 'standard ball' means what he thinks it means

 

[Lo-Profile]

I couldn’t even see a 4” target some 300 feet away.

Stay safe.

Fixed that for ya

 

[sarduy]

These are the kind of guys that fish like this

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Only if that spinning reel is on a casting rod muahaha

 

[Pat Riot]

From what I have heard anything is possible in gun stores, bars and anyplace fishermen hang out.

Not even drunk fishermen tell those kinds of tales.

 

[Gbro]

These are the kind of guys that fish like this

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Are you poking fun at my long departed Pop!!!
That was mostly seen with the Old Garcia Mitchell 300's that didn't have reversible crank.

 

[jmorris]

Not even drunk fishermen tell those kinds of tales.

Well, I have a story to tell you...later on. It's morning.

Right now all I can tell you is that I wish my Ranch version mini 14 could shoot a 4" group at 300 yards.

 

[Pat Riot]

Well, I have a story to tell you...later on. It's morning.

Right now all I can tell you is that I wish my Ranch version mini 14 could shoot a 4" group at 300 yards.

It could, in the hands of a gun store Nimrod.

 

[unspellable]

I shot at a four inch target at just over 100 yards with a Detective Special. I hit the back stop with every shot, no lie!

 

[sarduy]

I shot at a four inch target at just over 100 yards with a Detective Special. I hit the back stop with every shot, no lie!

Minute-Of-Backstop hahaha

 

[Weflyfast]

if you shot that at a grand’ it’s a very good group of seven shots.
J

Very very calm day....cool with little to no mirage- shot 5 ....had two left and decided to just send them-

 

[Necessary_Nutrient]

I watched a friend recently spinning a yarn at the range about his 9mm pistol upper at 100 yards and telling some other dude that he could put all his shots in a 1" group. I was there for that, and it was more like a 5 inch circle- after fudging for fliers! Of course, I just nodded and said nothing, even when the guy was like "With a 9mm?!" It wasn't my job to serve as that guys BS meter, but it did take some willpower to keep quiet!

Lotta storytellers everywhere. The older you get, the easier it is- or at least should be- to discern nonsense from something that might be truth.