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FoXNews.com: Feds Raid Alabama Militia Group, Uncover Small Weapons Arsenal

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Ohioan, Apr 27, 2007.

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  1. Bartholomew Roberts

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    Either that or really BIG rounds ;)

    Heck, I have more ammo than that piled next to me on the chairs at the moment because I plan on shooting it all in the next few weeks. However, I doubt the ammo alone had anything to do with the charges. The drugs, explosives, etc. probably played a bigger part.
     
  2. SamTuckerMTNMAN

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    "hoarding" as it is called, more than so many weeks of food at a time, is illegal in many states. I'll see if I can find more, but it is already on the books. Sorry Arfin :uhoh:

    These guys are good targets. Now is a time for feds to move in on easy targets, high profile, easy to distinguish, scary sounding people. Yeah, they had drugs, not cool. They did have some hefty eq in that list, nothing I have for sure.

    But what we should watch here is that in the wake of VT agencies are moving in on fringe elements of the preparedness culture. It's certainly possible that this could continue with more paranoia on the part of the sheeple and more aggression on the part of ATF etc., until it begins running right over the real minutemen of this country. With todays media, most would never know the difference.

    With the right spin, I could make anyone sound like a ready willing militia madman, especially someone who...well......IS.:D

    ST


    ps - and I have to wonder to myself, what would we use against a foreign invader with military capabilities, could we make it all after the fact, would there ever be a reason to have something other than small arms? Don't answer please, a rhetorical question only. No threadjacking here. . . .
     
  3. Titan6

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    I noticed this is a dupe thread from L&E but over there they are quoting a CNN article that omits the drugs. I smell a big old anti-rat lauching a few broadsides at the militias wafting over from CNN.

    Because if they are not drug dealers they are just kooks....
     
  4. hammer4nc

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    deja vu?

    It appears that the primary batfu-in-charge of this operation is one Jim Cavanaugh, of Waco massacre fame. He's been promoted, what a surprise.:eek:

    I'd take any official statement related to the "evilness" of these suspects with a freight train load of salt...these types of statements have an eery ring to them, eh?

    Still and all, the majority of folks seem inclined to believe most "official" news releases without question, so it is effective.
     
  5. pacodelahoya

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    please don't yell.

    I suppose it's perfectly ok with you if the sentencing judge has a cigar with his martini after he sends these guys to the big house, right?


    Can you see the hippocracy there?
     
  6. Tommygunn

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    Update:
    WHNT-19, our local CBS affiliate, provided more on this mystery militia on tonight's 10PM news installment.
    It seems this militia was planning on targeting illegal aliens, if the newscaster was accurate.
    Now we have illegal Mexicans here in Alabama -- and legal ones, too.
    Wonder how they were planning on telling the difference???
     
  7. jerkyman45

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    If food stockpiling is a crime the Mormons better run for it, because out in Utah they typically have food supplies for their entire family for seven years. This is not the best of articles but the raid was a good one, these marijuana growers were no militia, they were a bunch of nuts growing pot and making bombs.
     
  8. .cheese.

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    well, the marijuana is a problem....

    I don't know the state laws for the other stuff.... and the details regarding the IED's are iffy...

    I find it ironic they mention "fireworks" and "IED" and "Grenades" ..... because I get this image in my head of somebody just making a pin-fuse detonated silver-salute and it being classified as a grenade.... the same for IED's.... and the fireworks thing... huh?

    I mean, this could be totally serious... or it could be something dumb (aside from the pot of course).

    I'll admit I've made what I guess would now be called an IED. I've made several actually (depending on how you define IED). I love the fourth of the july. Every year I get I suppose what you'd call "commercial grade" fireworks (aerial shell type stuff) and start planning for my annual fireworks show at least a month ahead of time. I've built electronic detonators so I can rig all of them up together and set them off as a show to music (for 4th of July party guests) using the detonator (it's just nichrome wire wrapped around the fuse of the firework, and then two alligator clips attached to the opposing sides with 3v of electricity used to set it off (2 AA batteries).

    I once (10 years ago I think) took apart a fountain firework and carefully got the powder out, a roman candle (did the same to it), and filed off the stuff on sparklers, then reinforced a piece of cardboard tube with lots of news paper and tape duct-taped all-around (so worst case scenario, if it blew up, the pressure would be released, but no dangerous fragments.).... I then methodically combined the powder of the sparkler filings with that of the fountain firework, and as I added it into the tube I put the pellets from the roman candle in there in increments. I used a blue powder fuse to go to the bottom, had a stake coming out of the bottom of the whole thing so I could mount it in the ground, and then used the nichrome wire with about 200 feet worth of wire separating me from it (and I was behind a glass door when I set it off). The result was great. It worked exactly as I planned. It was one of the greatest fountain fireworks I've ever seen. Silver sparks shooting out 10' high with glowing balls w/ reports every second (10 times) and ended with a crackling effect. Lasted about 10 or so seconds. Then I let it sit for about 20 minutes before I went to toss it out.

    It was dangerous I know - and people get hurt all the time doing stuff like that. I probably won't do it again because it's dangerous, it took a lot of work, and nowadays, I'll bet I'd be labeled a terrorist. I'll bet that fountain would have been classified as an IED.
     
  9. .cheese.

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    oh yeah, as for stockpiling ammo.... what gives?

    including .22's, I have about 6k rounds.
     
  10. collateral

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    Sounds like these guys were planning for a hell of a party on the 4th!

    "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!!!"
     
  11. MudPuppy

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    The IEDs make it sound like they were hard core Militia types--doesn't everyone realize serious dope growers use booby traps to protect their goods?
     
  12. JerryM

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    They had several items that were illegal by themselves. If they did in fact have rocket launchers, machine guns, illegal short barrel shotguns, and silencers they had things known to be illegal. In addition they had drugs. They get no sympathy from me. A thug is still a thug, even if the liberal news say so.

    They deserved to be "busted."
    Jerry
     
  13. cassandrasdaddy

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    hmmm

    where is hoarding food illegal?!

    and for those defending these folks you might wann see what they are charged with and distance yourself. they are a steroutypical example of what the anti's want us to be seen as
     
  14. foghornl

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    Hmmm
    if 2500 rounds would fill a u-haul, then 1 or both of these must be true...\

    1. That is a really small U-haul.

    2. Those are really BIG rounds. Like the ammo for the 16" guns on Iowa-class battleships, or maybe the 155MM cannon
     
  15. Sharps-shooter

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    maybe they meant to say a u-haul backpack.

    Or maybe they meant enough to fill a u-haul trailer full of holes.
     
  16. cassandrasdaddy

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    really

    wanna defend these guys " they don't help the rtkba generally and militias specifically at all. theres a tape out there that will be real interesting. i suspect these guys are toast one or 2 will squeal do small time others bokigb
     
  17. Phantom Warrior

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    Oh good. I get to be the first one to say this.

    Bull****. That is flat out, unadulterated bull****. Art's grandma can plug her ears on this one, because that's what it is. Did they have a bunch of Explosively Formed Projectiles (EFP) that can punch through the side armor of a Bradley? Did they have piles of 155mm artillery rounds? Did they have 100 pounds of explosives buried under the road?

    No? Ok, then these are NOT IEDs similar to the kind used by insurgents against American GIs in Iraq.

    -an American GI in Iraq
     
  18. hammer4nc

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    From the original article:
    Comment: Notice the strategy? Fill the media with all manner of pejoritives, "machine gun attack on mexicans", "recon mission", "ied's", "exotic military weapons", etc. Much of this is based on testimony of an unnamed confidential informant (agent provocateur?) When the dust settles, only actual charges are illegal possession.

    The critical observer ought to google "Jim Cavanaugh+helicopters" to put these comments in perspective. :neener:
     
  19. Ohioan

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    Round on the ends, HIGH in the middle.. oHIo
    I just wanted to know if stockpiling was really a crime....
     
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    So now every illegal homemade explosive is going to be called and IED :fire: ? And people wonder how frogs get boiled.
     
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