Foxtrot Mike FM15 Gen 2

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CMMG announced their Four Six Banshee, a braced pistol or SBR, about 2 months ago. I came very close to buying one, for a few reasons:
o the 4.6x30mm, like the 5.7x28mm and 22TCM, can defeat some SBA at close ranges*;
o the 4.6x30mm out of an 8" barrel, will not have excessive blast or recoil;
o a braced AR-15 pistol gives enough control to address multiple threats, such as those we have seen in mob and gang attacks in the last few years;
o a very short AR-15 pistol can be concealed in a moderately sized pack or bag, for ready access.

I had the Banshee in my online shopping cart, but didn't pull the trigger because CMMG wouldn't sell me just the upper (forcing me to spend ~ $600 on a lower similar to ones I already have), and when I was about to place my order, CMMG had no additional 4.6mm mags in stock! Coupled with the fact that I have no 4.6x30mm ammunition, but a few years' worth of 5.56x45mm, I decided to take another look at my options.

I wanted something that would have greater potential versus multiple threats than traditional pistols, the ability to defeat SBA, be concealable in a reasonably sized pack or bag, and be quick into action. I remembered a recent email from Aim Surplus, and looked at the FM15 Gen 2 uppers and entire pistols they were selling.

The Foxtrot Mike FM15 is somewhat similar to the BRN 180 being sold by Brownells (which FM Products also assisted with), with the big difference being that the BRN 180 is a piston upper, while the FM15 is DI, like the AR-15. 2 recoil springs in the upper mean there's no need for the buffer tube and spring of an AR-15. AR-15 lowers can be made to accommodate the FM15 by installing an adapter that seals off where the buffer tube screws into the back of the receiver, with a Picantinny rail on the outward side, for attaching a brace or other accessories.

*criminals have increasingly used body armor in the last few years.
 
I was dubious of AR-15 pistols, but when I got my first, an 11" DSA, about six years ago, I was surprised to find how much I liked it. When I went to a cabin in the mountains with family and friends recently, I took protection, since I didn't know how remote we might be from assistance if we had an emergency. A computer backpack takes my AR-15 pistol with receivers separated, 3 20 round magazines, and a Kahr with spare mag, while not being obviously bulky.

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Would an 11.3" upper FM15 pistol fit the same bag without disassembly, giving me a quicker response from my primary weapon in an emergency?
 
The FM15 looks like a quality piece. It has a very ergonomic grip with ambidextrous safety (which I'm still adjusting to). Trigger pull is about standard for an AR, not great or terrible. It came without sights or optics.

I immediately added flip-up BUIS and a FS1913 aluminum brace I also got from Aim. FS1913, BUIS, and a good RDS with the FM15 will run you about the same cost as a stock Banshee Four Six- not the primary consideration, but still an important one! Not having to buy different mags or ammo is an additional logistical and cost consideration.

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The 1913 brace is very sturdy, but there is a trick to unlocking it. You "lift" the entire strut, not "lever" it from one end. Once I figured that out- thanks, interwebs- unlocking is easy.
The charging handle on the FM15 is near the foreend. It's noticeably stiffer than a regular charging handle. The FM15 looked slick enough with the irons folded that I considered keeping just the irons, if it would fit into my bag without disassembly. I might sacrifice an optic if it meant I was less likely to snag when presenting my weapon...
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Unfortunately, it won't. I went ahead and added an Athlon TSR-2 RDS for motion-activated red dot with super long battery life.

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The FM15 compares favorably with a standard AR-15 pistol with SB3 adjustable brace. It is several inches shorter folded, but slightly longer when extended.

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More to follow.

~John
 

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My intent for buying the FM15 was to have a reactive "micro carbine" that was as or more compact than 8" barreled pistols in more exotic, less powerful calibers. The lack of a buffer tube means I can have more powerful 5.56mm but still take up less length than an 8" AR with brace (you can see in the above picture that the SB3 brace adds more than the 3.3" barrel difference).

What will the 11.3" FM15 fit in? I brought out my issued "assault pack" and a Sabre Defense pack I got at SHOT in 2013.

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As I lay my laptop bag over the assault pack, you can see these bags are all too short to take the assembled FM15 without it being extremely obvious I'm carrying something long and pointy.

The FM will fit into my Cannae Sarcina bag without obvious printing.
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It will also fit into my Sarma Large Assault Pack with only a tiny bit of printing.

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I don't think of the Sarma as very large, but it is fairly tall.

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So, initial thoughts: this seems like a quality piece. When paired with the FS1913 (aluminum) brace, you have a compact, easily portable weapon that expands into something nearly as effective as the primary service arm of the US military. The setup seems very elegant, and I hope we'll have some shooting impressions here in the very near future.

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I would like to see a couple of things. One is an addition to the line, and the other is an easy product improvement suggestion.

The addition would be a 9" barrel FM15 with an included blast diverter. I believe this would give an arm that would be faster into action than other very effective options, while still being pleasant enough to shoot- and compact enough to fit into common day packs. My preference would be a package that includes quality BUIS.

The improvement would be the addition of sling attachment points just behind the grip. You can see where that plate would go on my lower in the first pic.
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So far, I am pretty happy with this piece and company.

~John
 

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Will this round have enough penetration for the body armor like what some wore to the Capitol Riots?

I think I saw a bunch of chest plate rigs.
As Breechface pointed out, BA levels are rated to stop various threats. The 4.6 and 5.7mm were developed to stop an obscure Soviet threat level that's not even applicable anymore. What is especially important is the ability of a defensive carbine round to cut through concealable (S)BA, as well as common vests made to carry magazines. These are everywhere around the world, and a bad guy is more likely to have a rig festooned with magazines than actual body armor. I want a round that will punch through a loaded steel AK mag or two, plus at least 8" of tissue.

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John
 
The FM15 came with some "grip strips" (I don't know what FM calls them) that fit into the slots in the handguard. Screws, nuts, and an Allen wrench are included.

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These add a bit of give, and additional texture. I would be concerned with their longevity, except that they will be installed on the handguard, with metal backing. I would think the positioning will let them hold up, unless they take a lot of battering from things with hard/sharp corners.

I got the right Torx bit and removed the 2 bolts holding the handguard on. One of the two could be loosened by just finger pressure on the bit, before I put it in the driver.

The handguard is a single-piece unit. Unfortunately, installing the strips seemed to require reaching through the handguard, and I just didn't have the time to futz with it.

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I'll follow up once I've customized the handguard.

John
 
I'm sorry you had any issues. I have yet to experience any (and, yes, I've experienced issues with several budget ARs before I even made it to the range).

John
 
I want basically the same things you want but I went with a 10.5" 300 blackout. The upper is aero precision and the lower is a Stag. Waiting on them to arrive yet. 10.5" is still pretty compact but long enough that a 147 grain FMJ will still be going fast enough to defeat SBA and it should be plenty stable. I like that that the round is designed around a PDW sized platform. 5.56 certainly wasn't. You could load blacktips in it too if you wanted to defeat some armor though I don't know that it would penetrate a plate at the diminished velocities. I have a 5.56 mm pistol AR15. I don't play with it much. It was keyholing m855 SS109s and that would probably make it less effective against SBA. I always figured 40 gr projectiles would be more stable but never got around to testing. Instead, I bought a PTR PDW in 7.62 NATO. It would be effective but it's so heavy and unwieldly that I'm not in love with it but I wouldn't get rid of it since G3 mags are so cheap and readily available. It has it's place. I'm getting ready to form some 300 blackout right now. It's an interesting cartridge and pretty ideally suited to a PDW.
 
What's the twist rate on your pistol? My 11" DSA is pretty accurate, even with Mk 262.
 
This is what the strips will look like, giving additional purchase without abrasiveness. I'm sure mounting them will eventually prove very simple, but so far, has eluded me.

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. I'm sure mounting them will eventually prove very simple, but so far, has eluded me.
If they are M-Lok, and the handguard is correct, the nuts and screws assemble on to the grip strip loosely enough to be inserted into the handguard far enough to turn. Then, when tightening the screws, the nuts will turn crosswise to the hole they went in, stop, and begin to tighten. You shouldn’t have to hold the nuts to have it tighten.

If it doesn’t work, like the handguard doesn’t have the proper inside profile, a flat screwdriver can hold the nut still until it grabs by pushing on it to keep it sideways from the front. (Or back. That rifle setup is neat!:)) Some handguards have slots that just hold the nuts a little diagonally across the hole, but they still hold tight.

I hope that helps out some. Even if I don’t leave it that way, I like to set everything up completely out of the box first.:thumbup:


This was a 5.56 pistol, correct? I didn’t see them on the FM site.
 
If they are M-Lok, and the handguard is correct, the nuts and screws assemble on to the grip strip loosely enough to be inserted into the handguard far enough to turn. Then, when tightening the screws, the nuts will turn crosswise to the hole they went in, stop, and begin to tighten. You shouldn’t have to hold the nuts to have it tighten.
Yeah, I tried to set it up like that after Paul sent me a link. I guess I don't have the right amount of tension, though, because the screws don't turn and lock into place. I'll try the flat-head trick, thanks.
This was a 5.56 pistol, correct? I didn’t see them on the FM site.

You can find them at Aim. Just the upper can also be purchased, if you are willing to spend a little time to make a dedicated lower (instructions are included, with an adapter that seals off the buffer tube opening). Besides the included instructions, there's also a video.
John
 
If the mlok screws don’t bite, you need to thread the nut a bit further on the screw so you have just enough clearance for the nut to clear the sides of the slot, then the ramped portion of the nut will bite and allow you to tighten.
 
I ended up having to make the screws super loose, put them through the slots, then reach through and push the nuts to a right angle. Once I did that, they stayed in place while I tightened them. I'll try to post a pic tomorrow.
 
Okay, I put three of the strips/rail covers on the foreend, along with a hand stop.

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The grip surfaces feel much better than the bare metal, so I decided to add more

The FM15 comes with 3. Fortunately, I got both an upper and an entire pistol, so I had more.

I tried to put 5 alongside each other, but the strip thickness is just slightly too wide for that to work, so I had to stagger them. The ideal "align to the holes, insert, tighten to turn and lock in place" never worked for me. I also rounded out one of the screw heads in the process

Not being able to just line 'em up, drop 'em in, and tighten added a lot of time to the process. I again removed the handguard, so I could slide a screwdriver in without the barrel getting in the way.

Here's what I ended up with.

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The rail cover installation has been an annoyance, but more pain-staking and time consuming than actually hard. The end result feels pretty good, and very usable.

John
 
These didn't have locktite, though. The Strike Industries bikini hand stop had a tube of Locktite in the package, but not applied.
 
I'm used to having a receiver end plate with sling attachment points, but...I was moving some stuff in my gun room, and saw a quick detach sling swivel. And I thought, Wait a minute...

Sure enough, there's an indentation for one at the back of the receiver, just beneath the picatinny interface.

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While I still would like attachment points on the receiver plate, it's nice there's a quick way to add a single-point sling



John
 
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