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I agree on Allen, he imploded all on his own.

But how about Conrad Burns? 900 votes? And people still think that their vote does not matter?

But you are saying that if gun grabber Lincoln Chaffee had won (as he would likely have had he not been basically ruined by his own party) than the repubs would still be in power?

So the repubs have no one to blame but themselves?
 
Armed Bear, you argument then boils down to voting for the lesser of two evils. I bought your argument in 2000 and 2004, voted for Bush both times and have not been happy with what I got.

I am sorry, but the lesser of two evils argument is old, and the Republicans have thoroughly worn it out. Unless they can offer more than that in 2008, I am afraid they are doomed.
 
So the repubs have no one to blame but themselves?
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Not my point, though I will remind you that you, too, are a citizen. It's not a dual aristocracy that you can't participate in if you choose to take the time and put out the effort.

My point was that one or two people in the Senate do matter a whole lot, and the way things run, they may matter in ways that aren't inherent in their own political positions.
 
you argument then boils down to voting for the lesser of two evils
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It always does, unless I'm running for office.:)

Politics ARE a necessary evil. That's the point.

Given that I live in the real world, I would rather have the lesser evil than the greater one.

Read much Mark Twain?
 
But the person who is the lesser of two evils may in fact be able to cause more harm than someone who is the greater of two evils. The lesser of two evils will be perceived as less of a threat, and his enemies will be less likely to unite and stop whatever horrible plans he has in store for us.

Bush is the ultimate lesser of two evils politician. But he has done quite a bit of irreparable harm to the country. I believe he has done more lasting harm than Bill Clinton did. I would certainly consider Clinton to be the greater of those two evils, yet I also think he did less harm to our country than Bush has.

In the end, I believe that evil is evil, and trying to distinguish shades of gray only deludes us into thinking we are getting something we are not getting.
 
Key Bush backers rally to Fred Thompson
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I think everybody here agrees we need a change from the current administration. Voting for a guy in the same circle of friends isn't going to change anything. That is why I think Fred Thompson isn’t the right candidate.
 
well...

But the person who is the lesser of two evils may in fact be able to cause more harm than someone who is the greater of two evils. The lesser of two evils will be perceived as less of a threat, and his enemies will be less likely to unite and stop whatever horrible plans he has in store for us.
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...huh?
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Sorry if you don't understand. I believe people who are perceived to be "less evil" are able to accomplish their agenda easier than people who are perceived to be "more evil" because their opponents have their guards down. Bush is a prime example.

The only way to avoid evil is to not vote for it in the first place.
 
ArmedBear said:
Any Republican who can win can serve as a brake -- not a savior, a brake.
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So you have already decided that in the end the country will pretty much be socialist, and that a neocon like Thompson could just delay it a few years?

How do you sleep a night?

I don't want a brake, I want to rip the wheels off.
 
Lone,

I understand your point. I just don't agree with it. Voting for the most evil, would not be the way to solve the problem you're presenting. That's just not the thing to do. I think we can all agree on that, I hope?

Also, I don't agree that under Bush we are worse off than we would have been under Gore or Kerry or would be under another Klinton.

I don't believe this Patriot Act boogyman stuff, as Armed Bear put it, is something that was designed to hurt this country, only help it defend itself, despite all the "scared to death Libertarians" saying guys in black coats are interested in listening to me talk on the phone. I can promise you the government is more interested in stopping terror threats than they are in my conversations. Hell, they'd be bored to tears. I'm not saying whether the Patriot Act is good or bad, just stating that I don't see it as a problem and in fact, more of a benefit.

If you read the article Bear posted, I agree, shades of Grey are a reality in this world. The Patriot Act, a problem for some, to protect the mass of people in this country, I believe is worthy. Killing 10's of thousands in Hiroshima, in order to save 10's of thousands of life's here in this country, I believe was worthy. Deciding to save hundreds from certain death knowing that it will cost a dozen of those lives to do so, is worthy as well. Having a President Bush who has to decide if using the military force of the United States to depose a foreign dictator who possibly has not yet attacked our shores will be more or less likely to stop terrorists from gaining access to weapons of mass destruction which they would use against us, is a tough decision, but I believe it's worthy.

The do nothing Clinton years, cost us plenty. We very well may not even be in the position we are in now if those eight years were not so blinded, weak, and treated as "who gives a damn?"

Do I love our rights? Damn right. Would I kill for them, damn right. However, would I vote for the lessor of two evils, though I don't think a Fred Thompson qualifies as evil, to get more of what I want? Heck yes I would, all day every day. Momma didn't raise no fool. All politics are give and take. There never has been nor ever will be "the perfect candidate". There have always been, and will always be, shades of Grey. Pick the side that going to benefit us most. There will always be something you don't like, might as well get used to that. :)
 
I'm backing Duncan Hunter, but if he doesn't look like he's going to pick up enough support to get the nomination I'll probably switch to Fred Thompson. Still hoping Hunter will gain ground as he becomes better known. Tancredo is okay, but I don't think he's going to come close to getting the nomination. It would be very difficult for me to vote for any of the other Republicans. Impossible for me to vote for any of the Democrats.
 
Originally posted by TennTucker:
There have been a lot of DUmmies from Democrat Underground coming on the gun boards, trying to cause unrest among conservative voters.

They have an idea that RP can be the Republican version of their Nadar. Split the vote and sneak Osama into the White House.

It won't work.
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Got any proof that Osama is running? I did not know he is?
 
Anyone want to bet $100 that Ron Paul will win the GOP Primary?

What about if it's sweetened a bit:

He will either...

Win the GOP Primary.
OR...
Get 10% of the popular vote in the final election, in any way, including write-in, third party, or independent.

Anyone REALLY think they'll win that bet?
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Nope, but not because I don't believe in Paul. Rather, it's because that $100 is better spent as a contribution to the Paul campaign.
 
I dont understand. Are you purposely mispelling Obama so that posters will associate him with a Muslim terrorist? Is that High Road?

I would think it is sad to try and associate a man with someone he is not simply because they share a similar name. It shows a lack of good reasoning skills because you cannot come up with a logical attack and instead take an attack based on racist and anti-islamic sentiments.
 
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