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French Shooter & Gun Laws

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Tipro, Mar 23, 2012.

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  1. Tipro

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    This may be being talked about already, but haven't seen it.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/23/us-france-shooting-guns-idUSBRE82M0YW20120323

    That's an article about the Islamic terrorist who went on the shooting spree in France.

    Terrible tragedy, but a few interesting things in the article.

    The caption of the article is "How did he obtain so many guns?" One guy asks "How was he able to buy so many, like they were yogurts?" The shock and disbelief in the French people that their government and their gun laws failed to protect them is sad. But, of course, everyone interviewed asks for more gun laws. I feel certain the next wave of regulation will solve the problem.

    The article openly admits that the French gun laws are some of the strictest in the world, and that they failed to stop this guy from getting weapons, but failed to make the logical connections. Here's some quotes: "With a background like his, the shooter could not have acquired the firearms legally," and, "he was under scrutiny of [the French authorities]." Oh gosh, the government failed at something, I'm shocked.

    What do yall think of the article's repeated use of the word "arsenal" to describe the man's 8 gun collection? Technically the usage would be correct, so am I just paranoid when I think that its use is just another scare tactic? "Arsenal" seems to signify something scary, especially as it's used most often in the context of nuclear weapons.
     
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    The use of the term Arsenal is an attempt to exagarate the amount for theatrical purpose.

    Nothing new and it is done in our media frequently.

    Nothing pleases some folks more than more laws. Violent crime, and gun control laws have no meaningful link . They never have, and never will.
     
  3. InfamousLegend

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    I'm a 19 year old Californian resident and own 5 firearms, guess I have an arsenal.

    M44 Mosin Nagant
    Ruger 10/22
    EuroArms Brescia Replica 1858 Remington
    Marlin 336 .30-30
    S&W 1953 Pre-27 .357mag
     
  4. NOLAEMT

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    I've never understood the concern over owning multiple guns. The most you can possibly shoot at once is two, one if you want to hit anything. So what does it matter if the person has 100 other guns? Are they any more dangerous?

    ... I don't think so.
     
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    Edit: I need to read the article...
     
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    I have an Arsenal in my CAR!! I chuckled when I heard a tv report that said, with shock in the reporter's voice, "The shooter had THOUSANDS of rounds of ammunition...."
     
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    What's the next step "up" from an arsenal?

    'Cause that's what I have.
     
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    The second (maybe first) most shocking part of that article is the part where the pres diverted intelligence resources to spy on opponents and illegally tap newspaper phone lines. HOLY CRAP! I mean I know even the US isn't completely corruption free but how can the french trust their govt to take their guns from them if it clearly has the intention to break its own laws. And yet the people want even more lgun laws. Really awfully sad
     
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    How can it be that the top police unit fails to capture a man who is alone?"


    It sounds like he was an intelligence asset of some kind and they didn't want to suffer the embarrassment of the public finding out the real reason why they hadn't picked him up and/or deported him.
     
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    I don't think the Sten and Uzi are legal for French folks to own. He might be able to own some of the pistols, AFTER getting permission from the government. French gun laws have a ban on 'military' caliber guns or strictly limit them.
     
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    In most of Europe the strict gun laws are regularly ignored. In Greece, for example, private ownership of rifles is illegal, yet Athens is awash with AK-47's, which are used in robberies and murders on a daily basis.

    America may be unique in the law-abiding attitude of most of its citizens.
     
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    I recall a shooting somwehere in the US recently where the news reporters gushed about a shooter having "an arsenal" of a handgun and shotgun. Oh my, TWO guns make up an arsenal. Good thing that reporter wasn't looking in my window. :what:
     
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    On another forum I check out, a former French soldier said that he guessed probably 90% of the French population couldn't even tell you what a FAMAS is even though it's been the standard issue rifle for more than 3 decades. "Gun culture" doesn't really exist in France I guess.
     
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    I think he might have been exaggerating a bit, considering that France still had conscription 15 years ago.

    I'm not French, but I'm often in France and have a lot of friends there. I think the French "gun culture" is more hunting oriented. France has (by far) the most hunters in Europe.
     
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    If 8 guns equal an arsenal, then most on here have an armory.
     
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    Laws - including gun laws - are mainly intended to scare off the people who MIGHT commit crimes.

    Hardened criminals simply don't care about laws, and so will obtain guns from somewhere, even in 'gun free' countries.

    So the arguments relating to gun control laws should really focus on the risk of non-criminals / minor criminals owning guns.

    In the UK context I think I am happy knowing that most weirdos and the like will not be able to obtain gun licences and yet won't have much idea where to find a gun from true criminals.

    At least most armed hardened criminals will be rational : armed weirdos scare me more.
     
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    Well, last I checked, and arsenal was a factory, and an armory was a storage facility.
     
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    I think the term arsenal applies when a man sets out to fight and he has more guns than he can on his person. Otherwise it's just a collection.

    A nerf, 2 airsoft, and a PCC, ZOMG! Any here ever considered trying to actively troll the media, saying for example, over 100 guns and then inviting Rachel Maddow in to see their collection? That would be priceless.
     
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    You folks just have to remember the French are not bellicose. After all France has only won one war.










    The French Revolution.
     
  20. HankB

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    They may not have a gun culture, but the French have done some good weapon development in the past.

    * 8mm Lebel, the first smokeless-powder cartridge to be adopted by a major country for its army.

    * Quick-firing 75mm artillery piece; could fire 15 rounds/minute out to a range of 5 miles; allegedly 30 rounds/minute (!) with a crack crew was achieved for a short time!

    * Dieudonne Saive, who "finished" Browning's Hi-Power design and is largely responsible for the FN-FAL rifle. (OK, he was actually Belgian, but his name sounds French!)

    I have a nice WWII French rifle - issued to their front line troops, it's in excellent condition, having never been fired and dropped only once.
     
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    When someone commits a crime with a gun, the people (responsible gun owners) who didn't do it are punished.
     
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    They helped us win our revolution. Did they not win any of the wars with England?
     
  24. Tipro

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    france won a whole slew of wars under napoleon. and then they were facing england austria russia a prussia and what is now italy.

    After the death of fredrick the great the french were the elite fighting force of the world
     
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    Thanks.for reminding me about Napolean, I can't believe I forgot about him.
     
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