Frightening on many levels
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I happened to hear Paul Harvey on the radio today, and he spent a minute or so talking about all the wonderful improvements in the Philadelphia school system. At the end of the story, he noted that 50% of the high school graduates still cannot read. I have no idea if the story is true, or if Paul intended the irony. But for some reason, this thread revived that memory.
I have no doubt that many of my colleagues share the sentiment of the letter, but I can guarantee that none of our teachers would actually write such poorly constructed prose.
As far as the possibility of the student being an ESL student, it's possible and I don't know for sure since this printer is accessible from anywhere in the building. However, let me say I receive tripe like this all of the time for class assignments and the kids writing it are not ESL students.
The truly sad part is that our bright kids are sooooooooo smart and they have to be in the same building with these mouth-breathers.
As far as the possibility of the student being an ESL student, it's possible and I don't know for sure since this printer is accessible from anywhere in the building. However, let me say I receive tripe like this all of the time for class assignments and the kids writing it are not ESL students.
The truly sad part is that our bright kids are sooooooooo smart and they have to be in the same building with these mouth-breathers.
Kobun
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Is there something wrong with the US school system?
Why don't they hold kids like that back for a year or two?
Why don't they hold kids like that back for a year or two?
B_Scott
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I agree.
This really pisses me off. You either come here because you like our country, or don't come here at all.
Don't F%^$# come here and try to change things before you even know how to speak!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
GOD THAT PISSES ME OFF!!!!!!!!!
Tamara
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Kobun,
In a word? Yes. Note the grammar, syntax, and spelling of, say, you, Mussi, Trooper, T. Stahl, and Marko Kloos (none of whom has the English language as their milk tongue,) and plot it on a rough graph of the average posters on this board. Think y'all fall to the right of the fat part of the bell curve? I do, and yet this board is one of the more literate ones out there.
Because it might hurt their self-esteem, which is what they're in school to learn in the first place, right?
In a word? Yes. Note the grammar, syntax, and spelling of, say, you, Mussi, Trooper, T. Stahl, and Marko Kloos (none of whom has the English language as their milk tongue,) and plot it on a rough graph of the average posters on this board. Think y'all fall to the right of the fat part of the bell curve? I do, and yet this board is one of the more literate ones out there.
Because it might hurt their self-esteem, which is what they're in school to learn in the first place, right?
I agree it looks like written by a foreigner. Translation of the words using grammar rules from your own language is a mistake foreigners often do.
Why is everyone so angry about the letter? In my opinion, even if you cant really call it pro-gun, its not entirely anti either. I was left with the impression what they dont like are the illegally owned guns? Also there are just two comments which are pointed against the licenced owners, that they should be more careful with their guns and the amount of the produced guns. While the latter isnt reasonable, the first one has a point. You know that irresponsable gun owners exist. Maybe the next step this person will take is to write a letter that safe gun handling should be taugh in school?
B_Scott, I am sure you dont like everything in the USA laws either, do you? Maybe this person, if we assume is a foreigner, really likes the USA and wants to change them to better. We might disagree with the views, but at least the intention is good.
Why is everyone so angry about the letter? In my opinion, even if you cant really call it pro-gun, its not entirely anti either. I was left with the impression what they dont like are the illegally owned guns? Also there are just two comments which are pointed against the licenced owners, that they should be more careful with their guns and the amount of the produced guns. While the latter isnt reasonable, the first one has a point. You know that irresponsable gun owners exist. Maybe the next step this person will take is to write a letter that safe gun handling should be taugh in school?
B_Scott, I am sure you dont like everything in the USA laws either, do you?
Maybe this person, if we assume is a foreigner, really likes the USA and wants to change them to better. We might disagree with the views, but at least the intention is good.Diamondback
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An immature poorly thought out message crafted ( CRAFTED ????...boy is that the wrong word ! ) by a poorly educated teen. If that doesn't bode ill for the future..........sad ( Ironic ? ) thing is that as a result of a lack of critical thinking and a poor education this is the type of person who will have difficulty finding employment and will prove to be much more dangerous to our nation than than a loaded gun in the hands of a trained, law abiding citizen.
regards
regards
P95Carry
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Not much to add .. just - sheesh!
Maybe also ..... ''Gadzookes''!
Could also be seen as funny .. < nope - tried - can't laugh at it at all>
Maybe also ..... ''Gadzookes''!
Could also be seen as funny .. < nope - tried - can't laugh at it at all>
GunGeek
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Because, and this is the honest truth, the parents will come in screaming if you hold them back you are ruining thier chances of getting into a good college!!!!
Yes the 50% numbers you hear are acurate, I was in a classroom the other day where the teacher had to correct a student who pronounced "liked" as like'ed. (say "Like Ed" very fast). That is VERY common.
I work at a public high school in Florida and am involved in computer support of a remedial reading program being put in place all over the district. I see the real numbers every day.
Tom Bri
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Almost certainly a non-native English speaker.
geekWithA.45
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I really hope like hell this wasn't part of a lesson plan that went like this:
Monday: Discuss how evil guns are, how many people die horrible, painful deaths by them, with special emphasis on accidents involving toddlers and field artillery.
Tuesday: Discuss all the good things achieved by DiFi, et al trying to "save our children from the NRA" (An exact quote from MMM material)
Wednesday: Discuss how it's our governments job to protect us from bad people, like NRA members. Suggest that students start thinking about ways to help our senators think of ways to protect us.
Thursday: Watch Barfing For Columbine. Talk about how it could have been us. Encourage students to visualize their last moments at the hands of Harris and Klebold.
Friday: Write letters to senators, with ideas for protecting us from NRA members.
Monday: Discuss how evil guns are, how many people die horrible, painful deaths by them, with special emphasis on accidents involving toddlers and field artillery.
Tuesday: Discuss all the good things achieved by DiFi, et al trying to "save our children from the NRA" (An exact quote from MMM material)
Wednesday: Discuss how it's our governments job to protect us from bad people, like NRA members. Suggest that students start thinking about ways to help our senators think of ways to protect us.
Thursday: Watch Barfing For Columbine. Talk about how it could have been us. Encourage students to visualize their last moments at the hands of Harris and Klebold.
Friday: Write letters to senators, with ideas for protecting us from NRA members.
Moparmike
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You and me both, Fenaro. You and me both.
I may have been a 'B' student in English and prone to comma errors, but jeezus, how does anyone write like that? I couldn't do that if I tried...
BHPshooter
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[SNL]That's not English, man... That's Swahili, or some language twins teach each other.[/SNL]
While his/her thinking is terrible; the spelling, grammar, and composition are worse. I LIKE seeing antis that are obviously that stupid, though. It makes us look all the better.
Another thing, while I'm here: Note how we all look at this letter with disdain -- We all need to be sure that we use proper English when we write our comb-overs on the hill. If you don't know proper English, learn it. It IS important.
Wes
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While his/her thinking is terrible; the spelling, grammar, and composition are worse. I LIKE seeing antis that are obviously that stupid, though. It makes us look all the better.Another thing, while I'm here: Note how we all look at this letter with disdain -- We all need to be sure that we use proper English when we write our comb-overs on the hill. If you don't know proper English, learn it. It IS important.
Wes
Edited for manifestations of severe retardation.
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I am sorry, I didnt know that. But the fact that they arent against the licenced owners (a.k.a. "the good guys") remains, even if in this case there are no such. It still sounds to me that this person had good intentions, just disinformed.
I am sorry, again, I like looking on every side of the question before I attack anyone, keeps my conscience clean.
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I read that as:
"I support gun control, because I am an idiot who can not comprehend logic and facts, much less the English language."
"I support gun control, because I am an idiot who can not comprehend logic and facts, much less the English language."
I guess what bothers me the most about this whole thing is that this is not the first time I've encountered a brain-washed young'n in my building spouting the filth of one of their aging-out hippie teachers.
Last year for a writing assignment (I forget the context) a student says something to the effect of, "......no need for self-defense, that's what the police are for.":banghead: I respond on her paper "supreme court says the police have no obligation to protect you"
I do have several students who don't buy into their teachers' leftist ideology and regularly take them to task. However, in a school where the latest fashion wear is the hammer and sickle and Che Guverra t-shirts they are fish swimming up stream.
Last year for a writing assignment (I forget the context) a student says something to the effect of, "......no need for self-defense, that's what the police are for.":banghead: I respond on her paper "supreme court says the police have no obligation to protect you"
I do have several students who don't buy into their teachers' leftist ideology and regularly take them to task. However, in a school where the latest fashion wear is the hammer and sickle and Che Guverra t-shirts
they are fish swimming up stream.Norton-
My English Sucks. I failed the class because I don't like homework. Lit was another story, but I digress. I have an IQ of 152, I am pro-gun, and I am a mouth breather. Dang deviated septum. Using the term "mouth breather(s)" is profiling. <Ron White voice> And profiling is wrong! <Ron White voice>
I expect better from THR.
ps-Tamara is guilty of "mouth breathing" profiling as well...
My English Sucks. I failed the class because I don't like homework. Lit was another story, but I digress. I have an IQ of 152, I am pro-gun, and I am a mouth breather. Dang deviated septum. Using the term "mouth breather(s)" is profiling. <Ron White voice> And profiling is wrong! <Ron White voice>
I expect better from THR.
ps-Tamara is guilty of "mouth breathing" profiling as well...
1911Tuner
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Read it aloud, and it'll occur to you that it was likely written by someone with a limited command of the English language. Somebody who would
like very much for us to be without firearms with which to fight back in case
of a random attack or home invasion. Hmmmm....
Read it aloud, and it'll occur to you that it was likely written by someone with a limited command of the English language. Somebody who would
like very much for us to be without firearms with which to fight back in case
of a random attack or home invasion. Hmmmm....
I am curious about a couple of things:
Is there any reason why no one has questionned the parent's part in this? Native or not, should they or it be at least partially responsible, or is it all the fault of The System?
How many of us volunteer in our local schools, or are involved in reading programs, or community skills building programs, or PTO/PTA, or literacy programs. How about an afterschool homework assistance program and mandatory gun safety classes at the local gun club? When a kid brings in a suitable grade, they get free range time and coaching.
Is there any reason why no one has questionned the parent's part in this? Native or not, should they or it be at least partially responsible, or is it all the fault of The System?
How many of us volunteer in our local schools, or are involved in reading programs, or community skills building programs, or PTO/PTA, or literacy programs. How about an afterschool homework assistance program and mandatory gun safety classes at the local gun club? When a kid brings in a suitable grade, they get free range time and coaching.
Shovelhead
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Hmmmm,.....seems to me that someone in your office is using Company-Owned assets/equipment for personal use.
Ed
Sad, .....but I deal with many folks in our military with pretty much the same edjukayshional skills. :banghead:
Ed
Sad, .....but I deal with many folks in our military with pretty much the same edjukayshional skills. :banghead:
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