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Frog lube failed miserably

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  1. beeenbag
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    So just a heads up, all of the Internet rumors of frog lube gumming up and causing problems in cold weather hold true.

    scenario:

    bolt action rifle (ruger american), 20 degree weather, some snow, snow on the ground, consistent winds. Sat in the elements from 12:30pm until decided to do bore check at 4:30 pm.

    upon deciding to do a bore check, lots of snow and debris from walking through grown up fields, potential long shot at game looming, I attempt to operate the bolt and clear the chamber, bolt is super tight. Normal pressure not even budging the bolt handle. Start to get the “w t f”’s and point rifle in safe direction to crank on the bolt handle. Couple palm smacks and it’s up. Attempt to pull bolt to the rear, stiff. Palm smacks engaged. Bolt breaks free and ejects from the gun completely, now laying on the snow covered ground. Frog lube in the bolt take down lever had frozen it in the open position.

    found some weed seeds in the bore, cleared it out and installed bolt per normal after cupping the action and the bolt in my hand to thaw out a little.

    my bottle will go in the trash and now every rifle I decide to take in the cold woods will require a full break down and clean with something other than this gimmick

    just a FYI from personal experience.
     
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  2. troy fairweather

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    Most of the year I run my bolts wet, but when I check the rifle before season I strip the bolt and wipe it down with a clean rag. I had a mauser bolt get real sluggish one day when it was shot 15° out.
     
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  3. beeenbag
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    this wasn’t wet by any means.
     
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  4. AK103K

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    Doesnt even have to be cold to have problems with it. Just let it sit for a while and things can and do get sluggish.

    I gave it a good try when it first came out, and after seeing the sluggishness to the point of not cycling in handguns and some rusting issues, I quit using it.
     
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    To be fair, coconut oil is from the tropics, after all. :D
     
  6. troy fairweather

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    I bet it was not. It don't take much of a bad oil to mess thing's up. Especially lube that can be made in a super market.
    I remember the first time I seen the frog lube I was not impressed one bit. Then after talking with the guy selling it about what's in it he gave me the run around.

    I've had good luck with syn motor oil. One day I will try some other mixes. It would be interesting to talk to a guy that makes lube for extreme conditons, like for air planes or even nasa.
     
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  7. beeenbag
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    I’ve used breakfree clp for years and have never had an issue. I decided to try the frog lube long ago when it was all the rage, I just had never actually put it in this environment. I later read the talk about the gumming and bad juju with cold weather but like many things you read on the interwebs, you take it with a grain of salt. Well this was a for sure confirmation for me. The stuff is junk. I’d have been better off with a dry gun and a honkin loogy to keep it workin smooth. At least that would have broke free and allowed movement after it was frozen.
     
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    Pssstt..... Slip 2000, Extreme Weapon Lube and Extreme Weapon Grease. I've had no problems down below 0, I use a light layer of grease on my bolt guns, but certainly not dry. Just FYI, if you're looking for something to swap to mid-season, Slip2k is a safe bet.
     
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    +1 on the slip 2000. It’s good stuff.
     
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  11. GRIZ22

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    Maybe nothing to do with the lube. 4 hrs in "some snow" at 20 degrees. It might have frozen from the snow and temperature.

    I've seen that happen. Freezing the trigger assy on an 870. Gun would not shoot.

    Just guessing.
     
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  12. entropy

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    In cold weather I use powdered graphite for hunting. Lithium grease and TW-25B (used sparingly) still work in cold weather also. I got a free sample of frog lube at a gun show, opened it up to look at it,and threw it away.
     
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    After a duck hunt this weekend which resulted in a chest deep wade with slung actions in the water.... i stripped/cleaned my pump with automotive products.

    My buddy was afraid to use same method as me.

    I dont understand why 5w-20 and carb cleaner is better than “gun” oil that costs 20x as much.

    If it lubes at 3500 rpm for 12 hours... its fine for 10 pumps.

    FYI turtle wax is ideal for exteriors.

    HB
     
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    I have some and have been using it. I KNOW breakfree clp won’t fail so I’ll be swapping to that this season but I do love slip2k thus far

    it’s definitely butter on 1911 rails.
     
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    I need to get some powdered graphite. I’ve witnessed several other instances it’s been recommended.
     
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    I guess you’d just have to have been there. It wasn’t like a frozen then broke free type thing. It was a frozen and got it to move but was still tight and nasty type thing. Frozen snow and water wouldn’t hold on through several smacks moving a bit at a time. It was like pancake batter in your action.
     
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  17. Ignition Override

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    Have you guys compared Seal One CLP with Frog, which is its ancestor? I began to convert my handguns to Seal because it is an improvement over Frog, and Seal has so much better 'lubricity' than my generic Breakfree CLP.

    I've had zero issues with Seal in warm weather, but will try during our next freezing day.
     
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    Weaponshield CLP for the win.
     
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  19. rb288

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    I have never used Frog Lube so I have no dog in this fight.
    I have used Breakfree CLP and Slip 2000 Extreme, exclusively for a very long time and NEVER had an issue.
     
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  20. Rule3

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    Plus frogs do not like cold weather, they get all stiff and dead.:)
    We make out own here in Florida. Just keep some caged up and rub them on the gun when needed. Very eco friendly!
     
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    Have never had a cold weather issue since moving to Fla from NJ decades ago. Even when temps got below zero (Florida zero is 40 degrees F and freezing is 50 degrees F) Things work fine.
     
  22. Jim Watson

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    I have a small sample of Froglube. I use it on guns being shot (and cleaned) frequently in warm weather. It doesn't get a chance to thicken. But I won't replace it. I did try some straight coconut oil from the kitchen on a pistol. It did OK, but the Froglube was better when freshly applied.

    I have not tried Canola oil on a gun even with the Fire Clean scandal.
     
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  23. jmorris

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    I use an Elf synthetic oil most of the time unless it’s very cold then I use a thinner corrosion x lube. I have lots of different stuff though, mostly tiny give away bottles that might get put into service anytime. The red Brownells lube they used to put in shooters packets seems to be a good one, too.
     
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    Great for the primer shuttle and powder measure drum of a progressive press.
     
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  25. Skgreen

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    Frog L:
    Doesn't have to be cold to get gummy.
    I've also learned 'more is not better' with FL.

    Worst results when I use it like oil/grease
    Best results when I use it more like shoe polish,,,

    Still use the wipes for some things.
    YMMV
     
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