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From a survey about Iraq

Discussion in 'Legal' started by foob, May 7, 2007.

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  1. foob

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    What's the feeling on this? Looks like half the soldiers don't mind violating military codes and standards to protect a fellow soldier. Which is more important? Are those that report or those that don't report considered bad apples?

    If torture is accepted to save US soldiers, should we allow US citizens to be tortured by the police to save lives?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070507/ap_on_re_us/ap_meeting_petraeus

     
  2. cheygriz

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    Someone else said it much moire eloquently than I ever could a long time ago!

    KILL 'EM ALL, LET GOD SORT 'EM OUT":D :D
     
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    Really trying to win the hearts and minds of the Iraqis. No wonder why we are losing this war.
     
  4. foob

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    Well technically the survey is asking hypothetical questions, not any admission of guilt or anything.

    Also in the modern era, how does one win wars against insurgents in civilian populations without the cooperation of civilians? Has it ever succeeded? Nazis never wiped out the french resistance, japan never wiped out chinese resistance, vietcong infiltrated south vietnam easily, soviets in afghanistan, french in algiers, russia in chechnya.... sounds like a bad idea. They never had to deal with the media reporting every casualty and every bombing.

    With so much history we can learn from, are the tactics of the military outdated? I remember they updated their manuals against guerilla tactics recently.
     
  5. romma

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    I am sorry to say, as far as trying to win the Iraqis over, I believe it will never happen. However they do understand brute force apparently... I am not advocating brute force, but I believe it is the only form of occupation they will abide by if at all... JMO
     
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    Yes, it shows the attitudes of many soldiers in Iraq are hostile to the Iraqi people who they are supposedly trying to help. When our soldiers seem to advocate using extreme force against civilians, then all we are doing is Iraqi is doomed to fail, and our presence their will only create more hostility against our soliders.
     
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    Well my view is that an occupation only succeeds when the populace support it. Will the majority of the iraqis ever support the coalition? I doubt it.

    Sometimes I think you need iron-fisted dictatorial approach, to rebuilt iraq quickly and stamp out the insurgents, instead of a slow moving corrupt bureacracy. That's not going to happen, so probably not going to win in Iraq.
     
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    Abu Ghraib is a poor example. Our Collage fraternities do that stuff to pledges every year. Atrocities are the slow beheading of people on tv.


    Brute force is all that they know. The kinder gentler American soldier is seen as weak and unworthy. I think the biggest problem is they do not trust the US. The last time they trusted us we let them get slaughtered.

    The population seems to be just sitting back and waiting for whoever has the biggest balls to take over so that things will get back to their normal.
     
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    What college did you go to?
     
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    I still can't track down the original survey other but some other articles have interesting numbers http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21675862-1702,00.html
    I hardly think that some drunk college boys voluntarily tormenting each other is the same as forcing prisioners to have sex with each other, be beaten or do other things that violate their religious values. Here's a quote from the diary of one of the men involved "They stressed him out so bad that the man passed away. The next day the medics came in and put his body on a stretcher, placed a fake I.V. in his arm [to suggest he died under medical care] and took him away." Some of the abuses are frat style stuff, others are more serious.
     
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    Not a THR subject...
     
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