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From the 1911 Boyscout Manual

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by SpotlightRanger, Sep 20, 2009.

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  1. SpotlightRanger

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    I don't know if this has been discussed before. If it has mods feel free to close/ delete:

    The passage was showing a comparison to archery, as archery was deemed:

    I am curious. I don't think there is such a division today. But I think it explains some odd ideas about conservation that I run across from time to time.
     
  2. 4v50 Gary

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    From an earlier Boy Scout Manual

    by Sir Baden Powell, founder of Scouting.

     
  3. SpotlightRanger

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    Given that this was 1911, I find this passage fascinating as well:

    Many Boy Scouts would go to Europe to defend the aristocracy in the "Great War" that claimed more lives in Europe than any previous war.
     
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    Interesting. It sounds like the Scout leadership was influenced by the Altrurian/Utopian ideals that were being spread in the early part of the 20th Century. I've read Scout manuals from the 1950's and 60's which are comparable to army soldier skill levels I and II in the areas of woodcraft.
     
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    Isn't that what you want (when hunting, at least)?
     
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    In 1910 Boy Scouts were organized under Colin Livingstone into a national organization. Whereupon a dramatic change in doctrine took place.
     
  7. Wheeler44

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    I won't rag on the BSA.... But I'll never hop in a canoe with another BSA alumnus...
    Diving 20 feet into 40 degree salt water to retrieve a dumped rifle and revolver cured me of that...

    Despite the inherent flaws.. Todays BSA does allow for firearms instruction..albeit only single shot...probably a safety/liability issue...

    W44
     
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    I have a bunch of old scouting manuals, recall that was POST Civil War, post Spanish American was and PRE WW1, there were a LOT of Utopian/Theosiphists running around promoting do good legislation like the temperance movement and pacifism. Scouting was deeply involved in local churches at the time and this likely reflects that attitude.

    You really can't take a quote like that out of conext of the time.

    Oh yeah, and marksmanship was my FIRST merit badge.
     
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    So. . . a gun is a weapon with no finesse and barbaric by nature since it is only used to deliver, "wholesale murder". . . . which means one COULD assume that a bow, being the much more clever weapon, is a testament to how well woodcraft can murder with much more finesse. Man. . . the Scouts sure have changed since I was there. On my honor, I will do my best, to do my duty, to God and my country, to murder with my woodcraft skills, with much more finesse. . .
     
  10. SpotlightRanger

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    In truth all quotes are out of context of the time. But certainly this quote is telling:

    The manual, while addressing various wars; completely ignores the quite recent US Army genocide campaign in the Phillipines less than a decade previous. In fact the treatment of all of the wars is quite telling. The manual ignores history and pretends that the US can do no wrong and instead focuses on instilling patriotism.

    I think the break with reality by focusing on a false idealism was what promoted the idea that a bow was morally superior to a gun. This is something that seems to run throughout the manual.

    For the record though I don't think that this is entirely representative of the organization today. What I do think is that this type of thinking led to some interesting doctrine intitation and foundation building for some future leaders of the 20th Century. Within a year there were more than 400,000 Boy Scouts in the US.

    Whoa, I am pretty sure you were not there in 1911. That would make you at least 112 years old!
     
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    Poly ticks, debates over the nature of the organization, and debates involving morality comparisons are off topic, and I'm tired of deleting off-topic posts.

    Sorry that some of y'all couldn't see your way clear to remaining topical to THR.
     
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