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Front Sight Alaska--A Joke

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Cosmoline, Jun 21, 2005.

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  1. Cosmoline

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    I was excited to see this training facility pop up out of nowhere:

    http://www.frontsight.com/Alaska/

    We have no advanced training facilities here, only clases held on an ad hoc basis up at Birchwood. I was interested in taking one of their courses just to see what it was like. So I called up to register and was curtly informed that

    A) Only select frontsight Members are allowed to take courses in Alaska and
    B) As an Alaskan I was barred from applying for such a membership.

    :cuss: :fire:

    That's no way to be a nice neighbor. I wish I could find someway to sue them over this. They're using Alaskan resources but have a ban on residents. Sadly, as a private organization I believe they are allowed to be rude pigs.
     
  2. Jay Kominek

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    That is bizarre. Did they provide any justification? Or did they just refuse to discuss it?
     
  3. pbhome71

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    It looks like there is no training facilities there, but rather a place to hunt. Please note "Front Sight Resort". :)

    It is still strange that as an Alaskan, you can not sign up.
     
  4. Cosmoline

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    They offered no justification, and the fellow seemed highly annoyed that I had called. I suspect you're right and there actually are no training facilities at all.
     
  5. TarpleyG

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    Front Sight is much more than a shooting class. It is a 'Front' for a lot of stuff, one is a resort-type thing where you pay a timeshare for use of the facilities. If you happen to have a lot of money, beware that they may badger you into joining the Church of Scientology too.

    Anyone watch The 4400? The 4400 institute reminds me of this stuff.

    http://www.dianahsieh.com/scientology/
    http://whyaretheydead.net/misc/work/Frontsight/

    Greg
     
  6. ClonaKilty

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    This is absolutely false. I've been there several times and never been so "badgered." Nor have any of my friends who go there experienced this.

    How many times have you been to Front Sight? Never, right?

    Cosmoline: The issue of not being allowed to join as an Alaskan is weird. I find the operators on the 800-number at FS can be less than optimal, too. You can email the owner Ignatius Piazza at ignatius@frontsight.com and ask if this is really the case. From what I hear, he is pretty good about responding to emails.

    As for the scientology thing, do a search here in THR and you'll read all sides of the story. I won't defend FS on all counts. But talk to those who have been there and make up your own mind.
     
  7. Cosmoline

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    Personally, I could care less whether they're run by scientologists, LDS, or the Sisters of Providence. I don't appreciate people telling Alaska residents we're not good enough to train at their facilities. My money's just as green as some Kalifornian's.
     
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    Look, I posted links to one person's experience that I learned about. Take it for what it's worth--use it or don't. I have no doubt that Front Sight has some of the best instructors around and I can only hope none of them are associated with a scam to try and suck people into their giant pyramid scheme.

    Greg
     
  9. Cosmoline

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    If their goal is to indoctrinate people, telling them to take a hike isn't the best way to do it.

    I strongly suspect that "Frontsight Alaska" is little more than a tax write off that allows the owners and employees to screw around up here during the summer. They only "train" people they know they can trust not to spill the beans. If so, they're playing a dangerous game with the IRS.
     
  10. ClonaKilty

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    You have every right to be ticked about this. Do you remember the name of the person you talked to? Just curious as I've gotten the same poor customer service when I call.

    I've seen at Dianne Hsieh's website and I really respect her.

    ClonaKilty
    (aka Some Californian)
     
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    Wow, I would have never expected another thread about Front Sight filled with wild speculation on The High Road.............
    Dream on, that is exactly what I expect on THR.

    Let's see:
    It's a joke: but you have never been there.
    Someone else says they might try to indoctinate you in Scientology: and that person has never been there either.
    And they might be using it for a tax scam: but you have nothing to back that up.

    Situation normal at THR.
     
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    Either that or they are booking hunting trips for non-Alaskans so they can charge an astronomical guide fee since the state requires out-of-staters to pay a guide to hunt certain animals.
     
  13. Cosmoline

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    I did not, but it would be great if other people would call and ask about making reservations for Frontsight Alaska.

    "Contact Front Sight Alaska at 800-987-7719 to discuss your scheduling needs."

    Maybe I just got a bad egg. See if you can make reservations for one of the courses at the Alaska range. What I was told is only special members were even allowed to go there, and that I could not become such a member. The fellow did NOT seem happy to hear the words "frontsight Alaska." I got the distinct impression I was treading on verbotten ground.
     
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    444--

    WHY WON'T THEY LET ME ATTEND A COURSE! This is the only question that I want an answer to. I've been a member of several local shooting ranges for many years. I'm well known in the area. I'm interested in taking a two day course at their facility. And yet they tell me to go to hell. Either their customer service is the worst imaginable or something very fishy is going on.

    Why do you build a shooting resort in Alaska and never even bother to advertise at ANY gun stores? I stumbled on their site last year by accident, and I've heard ZIP from locals about it. It's extremely odd, almost like they don't care if they make money off of it. Hence my suspicion that it's a tax dodge. I could really care less about their religion. It doesn't matter one bit to me. But this whole operation stinks. It reminds me of those weird little gun stores where the owner seems to be upset that you're even in his shop--weird little stores that are also often tax write offs or worse.
     
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    Moving to General Gun Discussions....Jeff
     
  17. Cosmoline

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    Was that your rejoinder 444, or did you just hit the wrong key :D
     
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    i hear they eat babies at their secret-members-only-training-facility-that-no-one-in-alaska-can-attend shindigs.

    :neener:
     
  19. Cosmoline

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    Spiff--do me a favor and call that number. See if they'll let you in. Maybe they just don't like the way I smell or something. I'm not a conspiracy nut and I could care less about diaretics or whatnot.
     
  20. ClonaKilty

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    :p

    Hopefully you can straighen it out, it really is good training. One of the key FS instructors, Brad Ackman, is an Alaska native and typically teaches up there in the summer.
     
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    Maybe they read your thread about how the US, for a hunnert years, ain't had a good rifle. :what:
     
  22. Ultima-Ratio

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    Cosmoline & Classes?

    IF in fact you are seeking professional training as you mentione somewhere up top. Call Alaska Tactical on Muldoon, the owner Steve McDaniel is a certified Gunsite Instructor for all levels of handgun/rifle and shotgun.
    907-338-3458
     
  23. Cosmoline

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    LOL. That would also explain why I just got a NICS delay after years without one! There must be a special double top secret list for people who dis the Garand too much :uhoh:
     
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    'not available to the general public', guy i spoke with was also irritated.

    "you have to be a member."

    "how do i become one?"

    "FSA is a supplement we offer to existing members."

    "okay, i'll take my business elsewhere."



    look at their testimonial page. the comments sound very canned.
     
  25. Spreadfire Arms

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    i had a friend in Las Vegas go to Front Sight for a job as a groundskeeper last year. he felt they had a lot of rules and seemed like a "commune" in his words.

    1. they have a gated community and have plans to build a school, shopping mall, grocery store, etc, all in the compound.

    2. they wanted him to work 18 hour days. he said he had a son to look after in Las Vegas. they encouraged him to move his family into the compound.

    3. they wanted him to also do perimeter security around the community however they would not allow him to be armed until he took some of their courses. thus they said they would take the tuition for the courses out of his paycheck. so in essence, to do his job which required him to be armed he had to take their courses to be armed and they'd take it out of his check. sounds like a scam...... :confused:

    needless to say he didn't bother....
     
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