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Front Sight Gated Community "the safest town in America

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by mlandman, May 12, 2007.

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  1. mlandman

    mlandman Member

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WWbRvuoFJA

    ...near LV NV.
    $300,000 for an acre lot plus all the firearm lessons you want for life.

     
  2. Mannlicher

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    wow, all those rich guys with all that tactical training.................. :eek:
     
  3. Geronimo45

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    Hope the next presidential administration doesn't decide they're a cult - and start sending in the tanks.

    Seems like a nutty idea to me - now I see where Front Sight's profits are going.
     
  4. wooderson

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    Weren't there people suing Front Sight because the 'master-planned community' appears to be headed nowhere fast?

    From what I hear, their profits are going to the Church of Scientology. (nb: I have no beef with Scientology, they're no wackier than any other religion)(okay, maybe a little wackier)
     
  5. esheato

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    People on both sides of this argument get wound up quick. Some people love it and some people hate it.

    Associating Front Sight with Scientology can get nasty real fast.

    Do a search, we've all argued this one many times before.

    Ed
     
  6. Glockfan.45

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    Anything tied to Scientology is a pass for me.
     
  7. steveno

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    there is no such place as the "safest town"
     
  8. tmajors

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    Don't think that youtube news could be any older.

    Go to frontsight for the training, don't even consider getting into the real estate scams that they seem to have going on there.
     
  9. mlandman

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    I just ran into the YouTube and thought it was a bit on the bizzar side.
     
  10. Rob62

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    Before anyone signs up to become one of the various level "Life Members" of the Front Sight Family, I suggest doing a little more research than you normally would.

    I shall refrain on any negative comments about the organization and Dr. Piazza specifically since this is the High Road.

    But this site says volumes.

    http://www.frontsightlitigation.com/

    Plus there is lots more corroborated information available out there.

    Edited to add. If anyone is thinking about purchasing any of the land offered (if its still being offered even) to build a house on, please, PLEASE, contact a land contract attorney BEFORE any money exchanges hands.

    Regards,
    Rob
     
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  11. Fulcrum of Evil

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    That's news to me. Got any evidence? AFter seeing what Scientology does to people they don't like, anything associated with them is a definite pass.
     
  12. wooderson

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    No evidence, I just remember a lot of talk about Ignatious Piazza (aka the guy with the creepy mustache) having connections and suing people who questioned his ties. There's probably more to it, but I'm a relative newcomer to the gun forums.
     
  13. wooderson

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    Anyway, I'd be more concerned about the litigation and failures of the gated community than about the guy's religion if it were my money.
     
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    I don't know what the memberships use to cost, but the lower level memberships they offer now seem like a very good deal. They have a promo going right now where you can get 3 lifetime memberships that include unlimitted use of their beginning and intermediate level classes for a total of $6,900. That works out to $2,300 per person, which is only $300 more than taking a single 4-day class. I don't see how that can be a bad deal.
     
  15. WeedWhacker

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    I'd looked into taking some classes at Front Sight, but since all sorts of personal info was demanded (for a simple training class! I already have my own firearm, etc.), I decided against it especially due to the business' links to Scientology.

    -edited out needless, inflammatory remark
     
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  16. ArfinGreebly

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    Stick to the merits

    Leave the church and religion stuff out of it.

    Stick to the merits.

    If they train well and have good prices, that's what you're looking for.

    If they charge too much or do a bad job, then that's worthy of comment.

    If you've been there and have a report, I'd like to hear it.

    If all you know is innuendo found on "teh intarwebz" then drop it.
     
  17. esheato

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    I was speaking from experience in my post.

    Ed
     
  18. Cosmoline

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    Do a search on these boys. I poked my nose into their operation up here, and the whole thing reeks to high heaven. The layers of memberships, plus the unspeakable costs involved, should set off every alarm in your head. Ask yourself--what are they selling and is it worth the price? What are you ACTUALLY buying? Does it have the value they claim it does?

    This has nothing to do with any religion. It's a question of not getting ripped off.
     
  19. Nitrogen

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    A bunch of friends and I got ahold of those "free lesson" certificates, and made a vacation out of going to frontsight.

    The training was good. Most of us avoided getting sucked into the whole hard sell membership thing (They got one of us who is especially gullible)

    The classes seemed a bit packed; the instructor to student ratio was a bit high for my liking, but I got a lot out of the training I received, and was pretty happy with it, considering what I paid.

    Had I gotten a membership, or paid full price for the class, though, I'd have been a bit annoyed; as a friend of mine got some one-on-one instruction that was of infinately higher quality for around the same listed price as the training I got from Frontsight.
     
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    Gated communities always sound better then they are. Doesn't matter who's building them. In the end they replicate NYC traffic jams.
     
  21. WeedWhacker

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    They are often intertwined. Front Sight does not openly advertize its connections to Scientology, and I, for one, would definitely want to know such information about an organization before handing over personal details and a wad of cash.

    Many folks don't want to support Scientology in any way, shape, nor form.

    So, in summary, post both info on the quality of the classes and the potentially objectionable outfits which the money may end up supporting.
     
  22. wQuay

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    Of course it's safe, it doesn't exist.

    I've been to FS. The training is good, and a cert can be picked up on Ebay for ~$100. Giving much more than that to Piazza is foolish, IMO.
     
  23. pax

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    Moderator Note

    There will be no further religion-bashing on this thread.

    NONE.

    The association of Front Sight's founder with Scientology is well-known and a matter of public record. What you choose to do with that knowledge is up to you as individuals, but it is not discussion material for THR.

    See the Code of Conduct each one of you agreed to abide by when you joined THR.

    Any further posts about the religion will very likely result in members having their posting privileges revoked.


    pax
     
  24. Ritchie

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    Is anyone else getting an echo of the Robin Williams film
    "The Survivors"? Some amusing gun scenes and commentary
    there.
     
  25. Mtnvalley

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    Pax, I hope this post is acceptable, as it contains neither bashing nor any discussion about the merits/pitfalls of any given religion.

    I was just at FS last weekend for a couple classes, and it was my fourth visit there. I've spent a total of about 15 days onsite training.

    I've never heard the "S" word mentioned there a single time. Not once. When one actually trains there (instead of behind a keyboard), Scientology comes up about as often as dishwasher repair. Oddly, I've never seen a post by anyone who's actually trained there that says anything to the contrary. It's just a non-issue.

    The training itself, OTOH, remains excellent...although the ratio of instructors to students seems to be turning downward a bit (compared to my past visits).
     
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