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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by twoblink, Oct 6, 2004.

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  1. twoblink

    twoblink Member

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    I just finished watching both the video presentation and news..

    It seemed a bit too hollywood.. but that aside, what are people's thoughts on the FrontSight Resort and community??
     
  2. atek3

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    Run, don't walk, to Gunsite, Thunder Ranch, or anywhere else.
     
  4. Fly320s

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    If I ignore the sales pitch and the hollywood hype, I really enjoyed my time there; the training I received was very good.

    Yes, they are trying to sell you a membership in their planned community. I like the idea of the "gunners" community, but the strong sales pitch is too much for me. I don't care for the location either; I prefer trees to cactus.

    As atek3 said, there are plenty of threads here and at TFL.

    If you do decide to go, don't pay retail. Do a search for the FrontSight certificates that people sell.
     
  5. BerettaNut92

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    Haven't been to FrontSight, but ITTS is a half hour from your previous residence in the LA area....
     
  6. Average Guy

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    TOO Hollywood? The last thing we need is another gun video shot on someone's VHS camcorder. It's about time someone (besides Lenny Magill) raised the bar.

    It's like the difference between HBO and IFC.
     
  7. 444

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    As was mentioned, there have been plenty of posts on here about it in the past.

    One thing I caution you on, as I do on any subject. Read the previous threads and listen to the ones from people who have ACTUALLY BEEN THERE. You will find that probably about 1/10 the number of people who post on the thread know what hey are talking about and the rest are talking out of their....................... talking through their hat.
    If you keep this in mind, I think you will find that the vast majority of posts on a given subject are from people who have no personal experience to base their post on. You will also probably find that the people who are the most vocal, and the most negative usually carry the day over those who actually have something of substance to say.
     
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    i've been there and have no beefs with their quality of instruction, statements of others not withstanding.

    atek3
     
  9. John Ross

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    I took their 3 day Defensive Handgun course and was favorably impressed with the uniformly high quality of their instructors.

    JR
     
  10. Gun Wielding Maniac

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    I went to the four day defensive handgun class this past December. I thought the Front Sight instructors were extremely professional and I actually liked their teaching style a bit more then I did the instruction at Gunsite. Front Sight's facilities are not nearly as well developed, however.
     
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    My thoughts, though I have no basis in reality for them:

    It is a pretty reputable school, and the only complaints I've read anywhere on the forums (depending on how seriously you want to take forum advice) is that they "push" membership and more sales on their students.

    No real negatives about their training.

    I personally think that if you went there, you'd be better trained than the VAST majority of gun owners (including many here) and possibly even better trained than some LEO's.


    That's nothing to sneeze at.
     
  12. Andrew Wyatt

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    THere are better schools for less money.


    OPS, for starters.
     
  13. Average Guy

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    Been there three times. Instruction was top-notch. But their "list" prices are nearly 4x everyone else's. (Which may be part of the membership push.)

    I also speak from experience when I say: Don't depend on Internet advice to guide your decisions. (Regret #1,238 in a series.)
     
  14. esheato

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    I've also attended a Front Sight class. Here is my review.

    I won't go so far as to say the training was bad. I did have some qualms, but in essence: Any training is good training.

    Definitely do not pay full price, check out Ebay or people on THR sell certificates for your first class....In fact, I think I saw one the other day for $100.

    Check out the link, 56 responses chocked full of information.

    Ed
     
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    Andrew wyatt, what were your specific gripes when you were there ?

    "But their "list" prices are nearly 4x everyone else's."
    According to Frontsight's website, the cost of a four day defensive handgun class is $1200.
    According to Gunsite's website, their 250 class (Basic Defensive Pistol) which is a five day class is $1114,
    According to Thunder Ranch's website (Texas), their five day courses are all $980.
     
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    Ditto. The training is solid and professional. Unfortunately, some aspects of the personalities involved that are not related in any meaningful way to the quality of the training itself are what tend to predominate in Front Sight threads. If you can ignore the sales pitches and community development controversies and concentrate on the shooting aspect of it, it's a good school (and yes, I've been there).
     
  17. twoblink

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    From all that I've read, it seems nobody has had beef with the quality of instruction they've received, just the HomeShoppingClub advertisement they keep pressing on you...
     
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    Uh, yeah 444, I was a little too broad there. Specifically, in my case, I've found that attending local schools in SoCal (ITTS, FTA) would cost around $125 to $150 per day (OK, so "2x my local schools"). I also wouldn't have to drive to Pahrump and pay for a hotel room, making it far more cost effective to stay local. Plus FS keeps announcing imminent price increases...

    Thatisall.
     
  19. GSB

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    You'd better buy your Platinum membership post-haste!
     
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    When they were in bakersfield, they shafted one of the local people who does training who is a friend of mine. Also, as far as I last heard they only have trainers at FS who's only training is the front sight instructors course.
     
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    twoblink,

    I am a real person who has been to FS, not an anonymous Internet trouble maker.

    It is good training for a good price.

    Pick up one of the certs mentioned and go out there and train, I'm sure you'll have a blast, like me and the other 250 people did who were training at FS the weekend I was there.

    Dave Williams
     
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    Would someone comment on the type of facilities they have there. The last time I looked on the FS web site there were a lot of Phase 1, Phase 2, etc. plans and artist conceptions, but NO actual pictures of real property.

    Do they have clean, modern classrooms? Central air in them? Indoor bathrooms/plumbing? What other kind of structures do they have. Do some or all of the ranges have covered shooting positions?
    What kind of shoot or "kill" houses are there?

    TIA and Cheers,

    M
     
  24. ClonaKilty

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    I was just there last week.

    Yes, a large A/C'd classroom opened in July.

    No, still portapotties, but they are cleaned every day.

    * A very comprehensive rope & rappel course -- most extensive in the country is complete and courses run on them regularly.
    * Large network of underground tunnels for training no / low light, at any time. Complete and frequently used.
    * Large expanse of land with set-up outdoor simulators
    * 1000 yard precision rifle range.
    * Occasionally you can do a shoot scenario from a helicopter w/an M16 (full auto). This is extra and not really a class, but a "fun shoot."

    * Phase II's driving track (for survival driving courses) is graded and awaiting asphalt. Curriculum is complete, instructors are being vetted and equipment organized.

    About 5 are covered out of around 15 or so (that's rough estimate). In a standard 4-day class you probably will shoot at an uncovered range. So go when it's cool!

    I've personally been through 4 different shoot houses, though I think there are many more. These are standard simultaed "house" layouts with walls, doors to go through, window cut outs etc. Bad or good guys (photorealistic targets) will pop up and you must engage. I've also been on 4 different "outdoor" simulators in the rifle/shotgun classes.

    edited to add: There had been complaints that FS wasn't building up its facilities at all. It is probably more accurate to say they have been building them, but later than was originally stated.

    And by the way: you do not have to pick up brass at FS :)

    Do yourself a favor: get a cheap "gray" certificate and go. Even if it's the only time you go to FS you will have had world class firearms training for very little money.
     
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  25. Average Guy

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    Oh, ClonaKiLty! :eek:

    And all this time I thought it was ClonaKitty. (Which, when you think about it, is a pretty cool name.)
     
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