Fudd; or Gun Culture Bias

Rocketmedic said:
I'd also put forth that arson, ramming etc are a lot easier to escape than a shooter with an assault rifle mowing people down.

I'd ask the victims, but they're dead. But don't worry, I'll just tell them it's easy to escape. They'll be fine by morning.

I'm not speaking in hypothetical terms. Those incidents happened. Those people are dead. And you're being a buffoon by throwing real data and history away just to advocate for a failed pet agenda. You are a willful idiot. I am done with this conversation.

 

How exactly would you set a 15 round limit on a 1911 in order to save it?

 

Who cares what you'd 'be OK' with? Lots of folks would 'be OK' with an outright ban and confiscation of all firearms; it doesn't make it reasonable, or make it right.

All this focus on 'firepower' seems to have blinded you to an important fact; spraying rounds is demonstrably (ask any police or military trainer) less lethal than careful, aimed fire-the exceptions being when have a water-cooled Vulcan gun and several TRUCKS full of ammo. So your great idea would likely save nobody, but simply slide us farther along down the slippery slope toward gun prohibition.

You've been shown crime stat's and objective evidence that your presuppositions about firearms are incorrect; if you really want people to respect your opinion, you have to show its amenable to facts, and not simply a dogmatic belief in gun control

Larry

 

Oh jeeeez. You're conflating 2 issues.

Please explain how a comprehensive psychological check for gun owners fixes any part of mental health care.

 

The rich generally don't massacre large groups of people (Vegas being the exception). I'm seeking to make assault weapons less available for those of modest means because most crime and most mass shootings are done by people who aren't wealthy enough to spend tens of thousands of dollars.

 

Notice the Rocketmedic is just like any other infringer: Start small, and keep on taking until they are all gone.

So, how do you suggest that the millions of detachable magazine weapons end up on the NFA? Confiscations?

I raised my right hand to defend the Constitution against enemies, foreign and domestic. You are looking more and more like one of those domestic enemies.

 

You just can't help yourself, can you? You are a one trick pony, and don't think that folks don't see right through you.

 

Bye, Felicia.

 

I think that Joseph Stalin and Adolph Hitler were quite rich, and they murdered millions. Any other brilliant observations to share with us?

 

And why not a poll tax to go with that?

If the lumpenproletariat shouldn't have effective self-defense, why the vote?

 

One has to ask oneself what the true purpose and reasoning behind the 2nd Amendment. It’s main thrust wasn’t the protection of hunters rights or that of target shooters or civil war reinactors. It was to give power to the individual / group of individuals so that their power over the government could be preserved, meaning the power we provide to the government is held in check. A well regulated militia has little to do with hunting / individual self preservation and lots to do with preventing a tyrannical runaway freedom stripping government. How does a populace do that with “fudd” guns (don’t really care for the term but it gets the point across).

Wise words from wise men...

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776

"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

 

The elitist attitude shines bright.

 

Would you support preemptive removal of firearms from people at risk from mental illness?

 

We are all at risk. Can you be more specific?

 

All gun control is treason, given that it's strictly forbidden by the Second Amendment, which is the law of the land, as ratified by a constitutionally elected government by the people of this country. Any gun control, without legally amending the constitution to allow for it, is an attempt at sedition and the overthrow of the people themselves, which is treason.

I would gladly have a gun control debate with you, @Rocketmedic , but only from the perspective of legally amending the constitution to modify the second amendment to allow for it. Any debate that doesn't start there is moot and seditious.

 

What is “at risk” for mental illness? Why don’t you answer any questions asked? Yeah, I know, no answers your group can come up with. Many questions deflected, by more from you. Typical self centered mentality.

You don’t want a discussion. You “think” you are at the podium.

 

The polarization between conservatives and liberals in our society is very bad with no cooperation let alone mutual trust. It is no longer possible to be "Fudd" and be accepted into gun owning community. One just has to accept that individual freedom is valued more than group safety and for practical reasons each individual has to take responsibility for their own safety. The Second Amendment is very, very costly proposition to our society, but it's the cost we must accept and learn to live with.

 

Less costly than traffic accidents or prescription drug abuse. Not to downplay the tragedies that have happened but perspective needs to be given. Stripping away firearm deaths by accident, suicide, and justifiable shooting deaths and the cupboard is bare in arguments for gun control. What’s left in the percentage of deaths to population is small compared to other death statistics.

How costly was Hitler’s rampage, Moa, Stalin, Pol Pot? Disarming the populace was first on the agenda. And we currently have government run amok in this country on both sides of the aisle.

 

The second amendment is not a proposition, it is a right, and until that is changed in the constitution it will never be a proposition!

 

I apologize, Rocketmedic; I used an incorrect term. You are not a Fudd, you are a Quisling.

As Danez71 said, We are all at risk; so no. Too Minority Report. Who gets to decide? DSM? AMA? CDC? CIA? NSA?

Say, doesn't the TCP .380 have a detachable magazine? Why, yes, yes it does. If you want to disarm yourself, none of us will stop you; Indeed, I encourage it, as your lack of logic and rhetoric in your posts leads me to believe that under the draconian mental heath screening you want, you'd probably not pass their tests. So please sell your handguns (and whatever other guns you rich folks can afford) and live the socialist elitist dream you want to impose on all of us.

 

The Second Amendment is “costly” to oppressors. The statistics don’t lead astray but emotions do.

 

You mean like those who call for an awb?