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Discussion in 'Legal' started by Pawpaw40, Nov 28, 2012.

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  1. Pawpaw40

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    Opening the registry isn't a practical goal yet.
     
  3. p2000sk

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    A whitehousedotgov account is required to sign the petition...
    The petition was started November 11th.
    Petition expires December 11th.
    3 of 25,000 signatures collected.

    Maybe we could get advanced notice next time...
     
  4. Pawpaw40

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    Just saw it tonight myself.
     
  5. Trent

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    A petition on the white house site isn't going to do much of anything. Even if we had Ted Nugent in office, the white house alone cannot create the change required.

    It will take an act of congress to change the existing law, or a supreme court ruling to strike it down as unconstitutional.

    As much as many of us would like to see it happen, it's directed at the wrong audience.
     
  6. Davek1977

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    I'm not going to get too excited about some petition on whitehouse.gov More or less every state also has petitions arguing for secession, and those have far more signatures than the machine gun one. Just because there's a petition out there on a given topic doesn't mean there's widespread support for it or that it will ever amount o anything at all
     
  7. Neo-Luddite

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    Fine as an idea or exercise, but this will most likely happen through legal re-interpretation of the '86 language. And while that happens, as it did with switchblades banned from interstate commerce, the techology workarounds to accomplish the same end goal is getting better.
     
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    Fine as an idea or exercise, but this will most likely happen through legal re-interpretation of the '86 language. And while that happens, as it did with switchblades banned from interstate commerce, the techology workarounds to accomplish the same end goal is getting better.

    Full Auto is much like switchblades in the public mind; there is an irrational fear of the 'special' function.
     
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    With all the anti's in an uproar about "assault weapons" I really dont see anything passing that would allow the market to be flooded with actual assault weapons. Will I sign the petition? Yes. And I will encourage other to do the same.
     
  10. Rollis R. Karvellis

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    I, did sign the petition. The main reason was that if it does not reach the 25,000, mark it will give the anti's more fodder for more gun control.

    LOOK EVEN THE GUN NUT'S DON'T LIKE GUN'S, WE NEED MORE BAN'S.

    So even if the petition was to reach 25,000, it would not help us, but by not reaching the goal it can be used against us. Nice catch 22.
     
  11. Prince Yamato

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    The best way to reopen the registry is to sneak in a poison pill into something the current administration really wants and has to pass to please their constituency.
     
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    I'd say call your congressman and ask for a provision in the upcoming "fiscal cliff" legislation.

    Personally I'd prefer this petition THIS PETITION come to something...
     
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    :evil:Now THAT is a fine idea!
     
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    These White House petitions are a complete waste of time, energy and electrons.
     
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    I'm sure that "making it easier to get machine guns" is Item #1 on Obama's second-term agenda. eek7.gif
     
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    Neither was carry in national parks.

    But it was slipped in the Credit Card protection bill.

    I feel that opening the MG registry (at 200$ a pop no less) would generate LOTS of revenue for the failing gub'mint.
     
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    Under the Hughes Amendment, possession of newly-made machine guns "under the authority of the United States" is exempted from the ban. This could easily have been interpreted to mean that machine guns registered, or to be registered, with the ATF would be OK (the ATF registration system thereby providing the requisite "authority"). But this issue wasn't adequately litigated. Instead, by default, what we have is an exemption for actual possession by the United States.

    http://www.hardylaw.net/FOPA.html

    This is an approach that, even at this late date, needs to be explored.
     
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    Could a citizen who is banned from owning such items sue?
     
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    I think the fact that texas is still apart of this country proves that site is meaningless
     
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    We'll never get this under the current president. As stated, it'll take congress to pass a law, and I'd wager that it would get vetoed if it passed.

    Maybe in a few years, but despite us gaining ground I don't thinks support is strong enough yet. Would be great to see it come through though. I can't afford a transferrable full-auto at current prices (and I'd wager that many owners of such would fight this to avoid seeing their investments crumble overnight), but if it were just a matter of the tax-stamp I'd love to get a full-auto sear for my AR.
     
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    And I'd wager that the ammo companies would fight for this to see their stocks soar overnight.
     
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    I don't think so. Ammo companies are struggling to meet demand in the current market. They are operating at capacity, and there are still relative shortages of some types of popular ammo. The ammo companies are not hurting for business by any stretch of the imagination. However, the people who paid 15k for a M-16 5 years ago don't want to see their "investment" disappear overnight, reducing its value to that of any dime a dozen AR out there. The people out there holding Mac's that they spent 5k on aren't going to want to see new ones come on the market at their real value of a couple hundred bucks. The people heavily invested in machine guns have a LOT to lose, whiile the ammo companies don't exactly have a lot to gain considering they cannot currently keep up with the market as it is. Too, with ammo costs starting at rougly 30 cents a round for centerfire ammo, I don't forecast millions of Americans doing mag dumps on a regular basis even if full-auto was made more accessible.
     
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    ^^^ this.
     
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    Speaking as a MG owner, I disagree with the idea that most current MG owners want to keep the Hughes freeze so that the value of their holdings stays artificially high. Sure, I suppose some do. But the vast majority are "gun people" rather than "money people." They would like to be able to buy more MGs at reasonable prices.

    Besides that, the value of collectible MGs (Thompsons, BARs, MG42s, etc.) wouldn't be much affected by a lifting of the freeze. The supply of those is fixed by the fact that they aren't being made any more. Sure, there could be copies made (think West Hurley Thompsons) but those just aren't the same.
     
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    Another F/A owner here who would love to see the Hughes amm squashed :)

    Yep, my 4G M11/9 would drop to about $450 the next day, but I care more about liberty than I do the price of my gun.

    Not only does it need to be a poison pill rider type, it also (I've said this before) needs to be written in such a manner that it actually plays on the fears of the anti's and comes across as something THEY want. In fact, a little argument against it (initially) would valid the 'fact' that it was gun control :D
     
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