Full auto price check-MP5

[redneck2]

Have a friend that has a chance to buy a legal supressed and silenced MP-5 with burst and full auto selector. 15 mags, two barrels, tactical case.

I don't need advice on licenses. Need an idea of the value. Thanks

 

[Outlaws]

In good condition? If I had $20-30k I woudn't even think twice...especially if its a gem.

 

[harvester of sorrow]

As a very general range, somewhere between $12,000 and $17,000. Mostly, it will depend on what type of conversion was done. If it is a registered receiver gun done by adding an autosear but using the host weapon's serial number, it would generally be least desireable. A conversion using a registered autosear, where the sear itself is the registered part and the host weapon is only a host, would fall in the middle of that range. The conversion that is most like a factory full auto gun, and therefore most desireable, would be a registered receiver gun where the front pin hole was drilled in the receiver creating a "registered receiver push-pin" conversion. This type of conversion can use factory HK trigger groups and is typically most expensive.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Last I checked (about 6 months ago) they were between $15k and $20k depending on condition, sear/host/trigger pack, etc.

P.S.- Is it factory integrally suppressed (MP5SD)? I thought those are all Post 86, although I suppose there's nothing wrong with a Post 86 upper since it's not the MG part.

 

[I LIKE IT!]

Yup anywhere from 17-23K depending on the coversion. I'm currently at 12k and looking to buy one from Vahn at AutoWeapons.com in about 6-8 months. I'm going for a push-pin gun being a perfectionist that I am. Gotta hurry before hillary gets into office.

 

[zedsdead]

Looks like $17k is the floor, unless you can get a good deal

Scroll down toward the bottom:

http://www.machinegunpriceguide.com/html/subguns.html

 

[harvester of sorrow]

Looks like $17k is the floor

Don't confuse asking price with getting price. $17,000 is out of line unless it's a really nice push-pin gun. I know of several MP5s in the $18,000 range that have been for sale for months and haven't sold yet.

 

[MisterPX]

Is it a SD (integral silencer), or an externally attached silencer? Makes a big difference in price. For an MP5 using a reg. sear, bottom dollar is about $13,500. SD's will command a premium, but only to buyers looking for an SD. Reg. rec. guns command less, due to the problem of being a stand alone MG. Check out Subguns and Sturmgewehr for going rates.

 

[Diesel man]

Wow those prices are way out of my league
Why spend almost a quarter of a hundred thousand dollars on a 20 year old gun and having to jump hundred hoops to get it.When you can save your money for a $400-$1000 semi-auto AR or AK.But I guess alot of people like collecting and have lots of money to spend and I feel happy for them.

 

[Outlaws]

Why spend almost a quarter of a hundred thousand dollars on a 20 year old gun and having to jump hundred hoops to get it.When you can save your money for a $400-$1000 semi-auto AR or AK.But I guess alot of people like collecting and have lots of money to spend and I feel happy for them.

Because there is nothing more patriotic IMO than to exercise your 2nd Amendment right to its fullest possible form. -which for most people stops a little short of a jet aircraft with a functional weapon system.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Why spend almost a quarter of a hundred thousand dollars on a 20 year old gun and having to jump hundred hoops to get it.When you can save your money for a $400-$1000 semi-auto AR or AK

Beacause our government capped the supply of our 2nd ammendment so that's what we have to pay instead of paying $1200 for a MP5SD.

 

[redneck2]

I was asking for a friend of mine. He can get it for $3,500. Now, the immediate thought is "wow...what a screaming deal!!!"

Then I think "what's wrong with this picture?" Everybody that I've met that has Class III is no dummy and knows the law and knows what they bring.

so I start asking questions. Turns out it's post ban, 1986 (IIRC) production, which I have every confidence means LEO only. Too bad. Be kinda fun to buy a full auto, own it for a few months, then make 10k.

Thanks for the help.

 

[Chipperman]

Depends on whether it's Pre-May or Post-May.

Pre-May can be bought and kept as a personal gun by an SOT, but Post may only bought with a CLEO love letter.

 

[crunker]

Greater than $16k.

If you're an SOT though... then that's a whole different ballgame.

 

[redneck2]

Depends on whether it's Pre-May or Post-May.

Pre-May can be bought and kept as a personal gun by an SOT, but Post may only bought with a CLEO love letter.

If he didn't want it and I could legally get it, I'd be on it like white on rice. Neither my friend nor I are any kind of LEO, etc. Sorry to be ignorant, but I assume SOT is Special Operations.

Dunno about the pre-post thing. I was thinking they were banned before that.

Gonna do some more checking. Appreciate all the help. This is one cool toy.

 

[Father Knows Best]

Nope. SOT is "Special Occupational Tax." It means a licensed firearms dealer who has paid the SOT and is therefore permitted to deal in NFA items like machine guns. So, if you are permitted by law to be a dealer in machine guns, you can buy this gun. If the gun is a pre-86 dealer sample, you can even keep it if and when you surrender your license, but if it is post-86 you would have to sell it to another SOT dealer when you surrender your own license.

Thus, pre-86 dealer samples are worth a lot more than post-86 guns. In fact, pre-86 guns usually cost almost as much as "fully transferable" ones. This one has to be post-86 at that price.

 

[MisterPX]

For $3500 I don't think it's a post sample. Those are available at factory new rates, about $900. IT may be a low price on a pre-sample.

 

[crunker]

You've gotta be kidding me, I've never seen a transferable MP5 going for less than $15k in recent times.

 

[Zach S]

Why spend almost a quarter of a hundred thousand dollars on a 20 year old gun and having to jump hundred hoops to get it.

Take a look at registered lightning links and drop in auto sears for an AR15. They're in the 10k neighborhood and the RLL pretty much a piece of sheetemetal, with the RDIAS being a two chunks of metal held together with a roll pin.

 

[Father Knows Best]

<For $3500 I don't think it's a post sample. Those are available at factory new rates, about $900. IT may be a low price on a pre-sample.>

An MP5SD with accessories for $900 new from H&K? I don't think so.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Take a look at registered lightning links and drop in auto sears for an AR15. They're in the 10k neighborhood and the RLL pretty much a piece of sheetemetal, with the RDIAS being a two chunks of metal held together with a roll pin.

They both can be made by any 6th grader in shop class. It's that number on it that matches a number in the NFA registry you are paying for

<For $3500 I don't think it's a post sample. Those are available at factory new rates, about $900. IT may be a low price on a pre-sample.>

An MP5SD with accessories for $900 new from H&K? I don't think so.

There are some pre and post guns in here: http://www.gunsamerica.com/1257/1257-random-1.htm
Man if I was a SOT I'd be all over that Thompson.

 

[redneck2]

I dunno. Something isn't adding up here. The guy that's selling is a Class III dealer, but he's supposedly offering it to somebody that doesn't have a Class III himself.

Gotta do some more checking.

FWIW...I think he said it's an MP5-K, not SD.

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

The MP5K is a pistol version and AFAIK never had a factory suppressor (I don't think I've even seen one with a suppressor attached, the nub of barrel that sticks out the end is pretty short).

I dunno. Something isn't adding up here. The guy that's selling is a Class III dealer, but he's supposedly offering it to somebody that doesn't have a Class III himself.

Are the initials sewn into his underwear A.T.F?

 

[MisterPX]

An MP5SD with accessories for $900 new from H&K? I don't think so.

I don't recall Redneck saying it was an SD

 

[MisterPX]

From Redneck's description, it sounds like you're dealing with an MP5K PDW. The question now, is is it a factory gun, or a conversion? If it's a conversion, has it been made into a reg. rec. gun, or a sear gun? If it's a sear gun, you're in luck, as he can pop out the sear, and now you have a title 1 gun. An SP89 with a can for $3500 ain't that bad.