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Full auto reality versus Hollywood perceptions?

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by jagdpanzer347, Sep 12, 2013.

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  1. Jim K

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    If the actors were really firing a full auto in the movies, it would use ammo at the same rate as a full auto elsewhere. But in the movies, they don't fire anything, just wave the gun around and let the "back room boys" put the flash and noise into the digital master. Not only can they keep firing forever, but it's a lot cheaper, too.

    Jim
     
  2. Rockwolf66

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    Sorry Jim,
    Even today most Hollywood films that feature firearms do use blanks. I have a few acquaintances in the industry and they aren't going out of business anytime soon. I don't here from some of them very often because they are on a set someplace making sure some Hollywood idiot doesn't kill someone or do something else stupid with a Film Armory's firearms. The problem with Digital affects is that it does not look like a real gunshot and it comes across as being "cheap" looking

    You would not be surprised how many Hollywood "Celebrities" are more than willing to use firearms to make them millions on camera and then throw them away once the camera's stop rolling. One armorer I know was really upset when an actor tossed a vintage Ross Rifle in front of a moving truck and destroyed the rifle.
     
  3. justice06rr

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    In Hollywood people can somehow stay on target shooting a full-auto AK47 in 7.62x39.

    In reality, after about the 3rd or 4th round the muzzle will already climb by a few inches and you will not be on target at all.
     
  4. zignal_zero

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    This what I love about my MAX11 - with the vert grip, you really CAN keep it on target for an entire mag dump. Then again, it is a 9mm that weighs like 9# lol. It will start to rise on ya, but I've found if you don't give up and just give the vert grip a nice pull, it'll go right back down. At about 30' I could dump a whole mag (non stop) into a paper plate :)
     
  5. ID-shooting

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    Yup, 9 years dressed like a salad for Uncle Sam, like others, less than the fingers on one hand the number of times my M16 was set to full (A1) or burst (A2). All FA work was left to M60's, M2's, and M240's.

    Even then, rather short bursts. No one ever held it down and burned up the belt, well, except for burning left-over ammo at the range. hehehehe

    I have no desire to even own a FA rifle now. Now, find me an affordable crew-served weapon and that will be a different topic ;)
     
  6. TRX

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    My MAC-11 SMG is basically a two or three shot weapon for an untrained shooter. The cyclic rate is so high, it's easy to dump half a magazine before you get it under control and release the trigger.

    It also snarfs .380 ACP at around $12 per *second* of operation, depending on the current price of ammunition.
     
  7. txgunsuscg

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    I've gone full auto on the Mk18, but it was always in a training scenario for "recoil management drills" and occasionally for competition within the team. As far as training for real world scenarios, we operated in a law enforcement mode, so even though we had full-auto, we always fired semi: two rounds, check effect, fire again or move to next target.

    As to accuracy, at CQC distances (<10 yds), I can dump a 30-round mag in the A zone of an IPSC target. MP-5s and Colt SMGs are fun and very controllable, the UMP-45 less so. My favority full auto of all time remains the Thompson. It was my first full auto I ever shot, and was far more controllable than I thought it would be.
     
  8. Schwing

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    Any time I see a WWII, Korean war or Vietnam war movie, I can't help but feel a great pang of sympathy for those boots on the ground schlepping all of that ammo around. I have always wondered if the soldiers of that era kept a mental tally of that weight each time they pulled the trigger.

    I have also always wondered what impact the bean counters have had on this through history. For example, I know that there were great reservations about adopting the Spencer repeating rifle during the civil war because of the fear that the soldiers would "Waste" more ammo. The folks in accounting figured that a soldier would be more likely to make each shot count if it was the only one he had.

    I can't imagine that the advent of fully automatic weapons didn't have a similar response for the folks in accounting.
     
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    I've found the MP5 and UMP variants to be very controllable and useful. I'd take a H&K UMP in .45 Auto over anything on the planet for CQB.
     
  10. zignal_zero

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    Have you tried the Lage MAX11 upper? They're pricey, but well worth it.

    I swear, it is night and day. It will take what is basically a machine pistol (or bullet hose) and turn it into a genuine useable submachinegun. It was dubbed "The Uzi Killer" because guys running the MAX were beating the Uzi guys.

    If you're worried about dropping that much coin on something you might or might not like, check how long the waiting period is for one. If it still takes 6 or so months to acquire one, you can't go wrong because if you decide you don't like it (not realistic) you can offer it up for sale (at basically the same price you paid) and folks will buy it just to avoid the line.

    Richard Lage did us a HUGE favor. The hughes amendment froze time, we were effectively stuck with 1986 technology, while the gvt's arsenal was allowed to continue evolving. Richard Lage changed that! He gave us the option to own fully automatic weapons using 2012 technology :)
     
  11. MasterSergeantA

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    ^^^ What he said!
     
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