Full Auto SKS???

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  1. mp510

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    What I was trying to suggest was that maybe the OP had responded to a foreign ad intended for a foreign audience. Unlikely, but possible.

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  2. Frog48

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    If it were legit:

    1) He would have said "Transferable on Form 4", not "class c license"
    2) It would be ALOT more than $425.
    3) It would not be listed on a firearms specific forum, not Craigs List.
     
  3. barnetmill

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    Did any military ever issue an SKS in a full auto mode? It is likely if this SKS is full auto that this gun has something wrong with its firecontrol parts and it is slam firing.

    I would not answer the email and would not report it. What the guy is proposing is illegal, but in my opinion not wrong, but yes it is very unwise. An honest man should be able to own and sell any smallarm without it being the government's business.
     
  4. Airman193SOS

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    An honest man cannot own "any small arm" in the United States. There are limits that are clearly defined.

    The astounding irony in your statement is that you are comparing the violation of law with honesty. The two are mutually exclusive.

    As long as I live I will never understand this mentality.
     
  5. damien

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    "I wont throw it in the river - it's a BEEPing valuable thing!"

    This guy is as dumb as our governor and is heading to the same place.
     
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  6. Prince Yamato

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    What he most likely has is an SKS that is slam-firing. It's not full-auto, it's malfunctioning.

    The Chinese had a gun called a Type 68(?) which was basically a modified SKS that fired in full-auto. Said fool probably does not have one of these.
     
  7. mp510

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    There is the possibility that it was a conversion. While I don't know if the specs in them work (and I don't care to find out), I have seen books for sale in catalogs and at gunshows that detail how to convert an SKS to full auto. Though, there is also a good chance that cosmoline (or something) in the firing pin channel could be causing it to malfunction/slam fire.

    There was two models- the T-63 and T-68. They used 20 round detachable mags and the safety (smae location as SKS) also served as the selector switch. I have a chest rig made to carry T-68 mags- workds pretty well for 30rd AR mags:)
     
  8. beatcop

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    C'mon you know the answer to your question....:)

    Knowingly attempting to purchase something being represented as a converted full-auto is a quick route to a conspiracy charge...

    Run Forest! Run!
     
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  9. Deanimator

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    The BATFE (NOT "ATF", that's just their own attempt to sit at the grownup table) is NOBODY'S friend.

    He should go ahead and send it to the BATFE, keeping in mind that they're probably the ones who originated it in the first place. Given their OFFICIAL endorsement of PERJURY in the past, trust NOTHING they say.

    It goes without saying that he have no more contact with the offeror.
     
  10. deaconkharma

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    not to mention

    If it is slam firing, it could be slam firing and out of timing with a full seating in the chamber...
    a catastrophic failure, a trip to the ER, a trip to jail, or all three, might be in this guy's future.
    you get involved... then you could win all three too.
     
  11. Trebor

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    Nothing good can come of this.

    It's either a sting, a swindle, or illegal.

    Run away. Run, far, far away.
     
  12. Texpatriate

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    Ok, so I e-mailed the guy back yesterday to let him know that I am in no way interested in coming within 100 yards of his SKS, let alone buying the thing from him. Here's what I said:

    To which he replied this morning:

    This guy is either a total moron, or he is one brilliant ATF dude trying to throw me off with with perceived idiocy. I'm done with this guy.
     
  13. Lurp

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    Glad you did the right thing and did not contact the ATF. I won’t ever understand the mentality of some people who sit here and talk about the absolute RKBA, but are willing to turn someone in for breaking an unconstitutional law. I would have done as you did and told the seller I was not interested and that he is in current violation of federal law and leave it at that. I don’t know about some people, but I stopped tattling to "teacher" once I was out of elementary school. Let every man be responsible for his own actions
     
  14. MGshaggy

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    Lurp,

    I don't <care> what people do if they know the consequences of their actions, and don't needlessly involve other people. You want to illegally convert a gun to full auto while smoking a spliff of purple haze in the privacy of your own home, well...rock on.

    But when someone tries to pass off something like an illegally converted gun to an unsuspecting (but otherwise law abiding) gun owner, I get a bit cranky. Most gun owners know at least a little about machineguns - that they're illegal unless you've done some arcane BATFE forms and paid some fees, etc. Most are vastly uninformed or misinformed as to the reality of the laws, specific rulings, advisory opinions, caselaw, and proceedures. As a result, especially given that more new people who know nothing about guns are buying guns lately, you have a situation where an innocent party can easily be taken advantage of by an unscrupulous seller (as seems to be the case here) and put into jeopardy of a felony conviction.

    Again, I don't care if one wants to do an illegal conversion for themself - they know (or should know) the laws and if they violate them, they have only themself to blame. Its when they try to sell, it or put another gun owner in jeopardy with it that I have a problem.
     
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    Call the police and report this. People that want to sell you illegal machineguns are bad people.

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    Please. Please. Please call the police. This guy is either going to sell an illegal machinegun to a gullible person and get them thrown in jail, or he is going to sell it to someone who knows that they aren't supposed to have it, and that kind of person is dangerous. This guy NEEDS to be stopped before something really bad happens. I'm all for repealing illegal machinegun laws, but until that happens, this guy is a dangerous criminal.
     
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  16. DrewH

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    Seriously-this screwball casually proposes to involve me in a felony that could get me into serious trouble if I did not know better. I'd turn him in in a heartbeat.
     
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    At the least print and file hard copies of your emails just in case. Tough call as to whether or not to call ATF maybe discuss it with your local pd first.
     
  18. Odnar

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    Just because it's the law doesn't make it right.
     
  19. stevelyn

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    My first guess would be a BATFE <> fishing for a case.
     
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    This guy is doing gun owners in general a disservice, and its because of people like him that we have to deal with ever increasing gun control idealogies in this country of ours. I'd have no qualms whatsoever about turning this over to law enforcement of some type, ATF or otherwise. He's bad news, an idiot, and could lure an unknowledgeable person into committing a felony unknowingly. in no way is what he's doing beneficial togun owners at large, and theres absolutely no reason to defend someone like him from the authorities. Simply ignoring it might work for some people, but if I were in ANY way involved, I couldn't let this go without informing someone.. Maybe that makes me a "tattletale" or maybe it makes me a responsible citizen. Take your pick...a stranger's opinion of my actions or perogative matters little to me.
     
  21. DrewH

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    Re the argument it is a sting...could be, but plenty of foolish gun owners out there. I've met some of them.

    I'd turn him for using the "clips" word as well :)
     
  22. expvideo

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    LOL, I wonder what the punishment for that is.
     
  23. Lurp

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    MGshaggy, I see where you are coming from, but I still feel it is the buyers responsibility to make sure what he is buying is not in violation of any "laws". I just hate the thought of a gun owner running to the BATFE, who is no ones friend by any means, and ratting someone out for a crime that shouldn't even be a crime.
     
  24. dvcrsn

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    If it is full auto--the guy is either an idiot:mad:, snitch:fire:, or LEO trying to get an easy bust/conviction:fire::banghead::cuss:
     
  25. Glockman17366

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    When I bought my first SKS many years ago (early '90's, I think), I bought a book on converting the rifle from semi-auto to full auto (no selective fire) by modifying the trigger group. So, the rifle may have been coverted.
    Personally, I think the seller is just stupid and a braggart. I do not think it's a BATF sting.

    Before anyone asks, NO, I did not convert my SKS. Closest I ever came to buying a selective fire rifle is when Vector sold those UZI's a few years back. Wish I'd bought two of them!
     
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