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Full Barrel Silencers???

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by zollen, Apr 6, 2011.

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  1. zollen

    zollen Member

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    I have been researching the effectiveness of full barrel silencers. A conventional silencer attaches the flash hider at a rear end of the silencer, but a full barrel silencer attaches the flash hider nearly at the front end of a FB silencer, which allow a good portion of AR barrel to be "submerge" inside the silencer. This has a benefit of introducing sound/flash suppressing capabilities without extending an AR barrel significantly.


    Back to my questions:
    1. Has anyone had any experience with this type of silencers?
    2. How effective of its suppressing capability comparing to any conventional silencers?
    3. Would this type of silencers affect ballistics?
    4. How much are they? Any available models for sale?
     
  2. Ironman

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    To answer your bullets...

    1. Yes, they are very quiet
    2. Very effective
    3. Most are ported to keep the projectile subsonic, therefore the FPS drops
    4.Price varies depending on caliber and host weapon $800-$2000

    The term your looking for is integral. A integrally suppressed firearm.
     
  3. Sam Cade

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    ..are you talking about integral suppressors or something like a M.I.T.E.R mount?
     
  4. zollen

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    Would you be able to direct me to any sites that sell this kind of silencers?
     
  5. Watchman

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    I'm currently building an integrally suppressed .300 Blackout on a Remington 700 action. It'll be put into a Choate folding stock.

    With gun and stock supplied, the integral is 750.00.

    I am also building integrally suppressed Ruger 10/22 barrels. Your barrel,300 bucks. My barrel 400 bucks.

    I'm an 07/02 FFL so it's all good.

    Look up Bailey Signature Firearms on Facebook for questions. Right now I'm backlogged until around May.
     
  6. zollen

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    I am getting BattleComp 2.0 SCV muzzle brake (compatible with Gentech Halo supressor). Does your custom integrally suppressor compatibles with BattleComp 2.0?
     
  7. Watchman

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    No. Integrals dont have muzzle brakes. The integral is permanatley affixed to the barrel. There is no provision for a brake.
     
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    Are you asking about an integrally suppressed AR-15 in .223/5.56? I'm not aware if anybody makes those but it would definitely be righteous. Getting it to properly operate the DI gas system, make the round subsonic, etc. would be quite tricky I bet.
    There are several blowback integrally suppressed uppers for the AR in pistol calibers but I can't say I've seen one for a 5.56 AR.
     
  9. 451 Detonics

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    My Ruger in .308 isn't a full barrel but does encompass about 10 inches of the barrel, Ciener can...

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    It is very quiet... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LF4QpZMeVU

    My AR in 300 Whisper can also cover a good portion of the barrel and again is extremely quiet...

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  10. Sam Cade

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    Are you familiar with the ins and outs of NFA ownership?
     
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  11. kingcheese

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    not really a direct answer, but i have heard that in cheaper rifles exspescially when using cheap ammo, that the supressor in a setup like this will wear out quicker/loose effectiveness, and id imagine they are a pain to clean(if possible) but it would also take a few hundred if not thousands of rounds to make it worthless

    like i said, not a dirrect answer, just something to think about
     
  12. Zak Smith

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    The "back over the barrel" or "reflex" style suppressors can be classified into two types:

    1. types that simply back over the barrel, and do not have any ports. the only path for gas to enter the suppressor volume is through the muzzle

    2. types that incorporate barrel ports that allow gas to flow directly from the bore into the suppressor (ie, prior to the bullet exiting the muzzle)

    The primary advantage of type 1 (standard reflex) is that they don't extend past the muzzle as far as a regular muzzle-mounted suppressor. The primary disadvantages are that they are less effective per volume or per mass. The principlse behind that statement are that (1) to use the suppressor volume behind the muzzle (for type 1), the gas must change direction and flow further and (2) there is less internal volume per the same length (because the barrel obviously takes up volume). In precision rifle applications, two-point mounts (that many reflex styles use) are known to cause accuracy to degrade due to differential thermal expansion.

    The primary advantage of type 2 (ported) is that they bleed off gas pressure into the suppressor volume before the bullet exits the muzzle (which softens that event) and they can effectively slow down the bullet vs. the same non-ported barrel length. This is useful if you want to keep a load subsonic in a 16" barrel that would normally be supersonic. If you have an SBR, this point is moot because you can just use a 10" barrel or whatever.
     
  13. MagnumDweeb

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    Now this has me wondering. I've got a Mosin nagant sitting unused in the closet and was looking to do a suppressor for a rifle one day. I've got a drill press and lathe and was thinking after I got admitted to the bar, going ahead and filing for the tax stamp and doing my own suppressor. So if I were to:

    1) sporterise the nagant cutting back the stock away from the barrel

    2) then port the barrel after the first ten inches

    3) create a nut for the suppressor to lock into after it slides over the barrel

    Would this have some benefits to suppressing/reducing the decibels.

    I'm thinking a new stock and scope would be good with this combo, add doing my own handloads to the mix and the shooter ought to be good for 150 yard plinking I'd think.
     
  14. Zak Smith

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    The devil is in the details.
     
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    the best advantage of the integral suppressor over the screw on is internal volume of gas
    held/cooled over the screw on,pertaining to single shot versus machine gun.
     
  16. Beaux Nehr

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    There's a guy that makes ARs exactly like you're describing.

    Google George Koumbis or Shooter's Depot.
     
  17. Sam Cade

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    Since you are in Canada it is effectively impossible for you to own a suppressor.
     
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