Full Power 9mm Powders

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  1. ArchAngelCD

    ArchAngelCD Member

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    I have used a few powders in the 9mm and while I'm happy with W231 for Cast bullets and for plinking I'm still not sure which powder to use for full power loads with a 124/125gr bullet.

    I have used HS-6, AA#5 and Longshot but I'm not satisfied with those choices for one read or another. Longshot delivers good accuracy and good velocity but it's very loud.

    I have been hearing good things about Silhouette and I'm wondering if it will deliver good accuracy and velocity or if there is a better choice out there to try. I have a pound if W572 I didn't try yet because it's way too cold right now. Anyone try that in the 9mm yet? That might be the answer, any one?

    PLEASE, no guessing, only first hand information.
     
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    Been using AA#7 for years, quite happy with it for many uses, plinking or "full power", cast or jacketed.
     
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    ArchAngenlCD,
    You have overlooked what are probably the two technically best powders for your intended application:
    BE-86(TM)
    Power Pistol(TM)
    There are lots of ways to make "full power" 124gr 9mm Luger, but these two BE-series materials are hard to beat.
    Shoot well,
    Paul
     
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    ...and there is always Unique...
     
  5. ATLDave

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    You may want to investigate the powders (not necessarily the specific load data!) that the guys shooting 9mm major in USPSA/IPSC are using.
     
  6. CZ9shooter

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    Power Pistol. No question about it IMO.

    Factory +P velocities are easily met and often exceeded.

    My most accurate 9mm loads involve a 124gr XTP, and a stiff charge of Power Pistol.

    It is loud too though.
     
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    Thanks for the reply. I have used Power Pistol but not BE-86 yet. Unfortunately in my area Allliant Powders and even more so Accurate Powders are difficult to find. It seems Hodgdon/ IMR/ Winchester Powders are on the shelves. It requires a 145 mile round trip to Cabela's to try and find Alliant powders and even then it's hit or miss. I appreciate the reply and will give BE-86 a try when I come across some.
     
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    CFE pistol has worked well for me and it meters nice.
     
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    I got more out of HS-6 than I did with CFE-P. That was with 124 gr. HP. I would have to look at my data to remember why.
     
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    Silhouette is a very good choice; I would add (for consideration) VihtaVuori N340 and VV-3N37. BE-86 also performs exceptionally well ~ if you go back through the marathon BE-86 thread, you'll find many discussions that may help.
     
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    I use BE-86 with 124gr FMJ bullets;
    Beretta 92
    5.4gr - 1,140fps
     
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    With 9MM 125gr RN Blue Bullets, I have done very well using Ramshot Silhouette. It meters beautifully and is accurate at competition power factor.

    More recently I have switched to Hodgdon TiteGroup that I have used forever with 45 ACP RN. I was hesitant at first because of the possibility of an inadvertent double load, but am attentive with the Hornady LnL. I like TiteGoup very much. Clean, accurate, consistent.
     
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    Similar to bds, I have had good luck with 124gr RN/FMJs loaded with 5.2grs - 5.4grs of BE-86 @ 1.145. Great powder for mid range to upper end loads.
     
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    VVH N-350.
     
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    BE-86 and Universal are almost identical burn rates, often listed side by side on charts.
    Also, BE86 is Power Pistol with a flash suppressant.

    In other words, all 3 powders are suitable for the same thing.

    That being said,, AA#7 was pretty much designed for 9mm.
     
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    BE-86 is never on the shelves near me either. I just have to bite the bullet on Hazmat fees and order a couple jugs of BE-86 and Sport Pistol (becoming a favorite for Minor PF loads) from Powder Valley in order for the cost of shipping to make sense.
     
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    For "ALL OUT" 124gr +P, I prefer HS7.
    Take a look at Speers data for the 124gr GoldDot.
    Bump the charge up 0.3-0.5gr for +P and you're talking 1,300fps from a 5"bbl.
    I've found that the Speer max is a very good, and accurate load. Not a +P load, but gets advertised speed for most +P factory ammo.
     
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    I believe it literally was, originally. IIUC, the very first cannisters of it were from overruns of european NATO 9mm ammo. It's a popular choice for 9mm Major rounds in IPSC/USPSA, which is typically well past +P SAAMI standards. VV 3N37 is another popular choice for that crowd, with HS-6 and Silhouette getting some love, too.
     
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    Take a look at True Blue. I discovered it during the first Obama era shortage and have been using it in my 9x19 ever since.
     
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    How about it Paul?
     
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    True Blue is worth a try.

    N330, N340, or 3N37 are good depending on power level wanted, but IIRC they are not readily available to you.

    Try some Silhouette. :)
     
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    Not sure exactly what your priorities are for this load. CFE Pistol works very well but won't yield quite the velocity of BE-86. With a 124 grain FMJ my full power non +P CFE-P load does about 1125fps and is very accurate. BE-86 will do 1160+fps at this pressure level if this is a decision-driver.
     
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    I've always used WSF for my 9mm loads. It allows you to go into the +P range if you desire.
     
  25. Swampman

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    Blue Dot gives the highest velocities of anything I've used with 124/125 grain 9mm.

    According to current Alliant data, it's almost 100 fps faster than Power Pistol .

    But it's pretty loud.

    You may need to revise your expectations, it's unlikely that you're going to get both high velocity and low noise levels in the same load.
     
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