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Full text of Feinstein's bill

Discussion in 'Legal' started by gc70, Jan 25, 2013.

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  1. gc70

    gc70 Member

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    Full text of Feinstein's bill - S.150

    The full text of Feinstein's AWB bill has been posted to her Senate website.

    Note that the section on background checks for transfers of grandfathered assault weapons starts on page #119 of the PDF file, where is could easily be overlooked after the 93-page listing of exempt firearms.

    The actual bill is not as vile as Feinstein has been claiming for the last month. Possession and transfers of weapons are allowed. I need to cross-reference the other laws that the background checks section cites, but it does not (after a very quick first read) appear to be NFA registration and taxation.

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    I have posted an abbreviated version of the bill to Scribd that is only 6 pages long after omitting the lists of weapons and government exceptions.

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  2. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    Huh, banning semi-auto shotguns with more than a 5-round capacity is a bit of a surprise. I guess I missed that somehow.
     
  3. AlexanderA

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    Here's a key distinction: while transfers of grandfathered weapons are allowed (through FFL dealers, with a background check), transfers of grandfathered feeding devices are not allowed. (At least that's the way I read it.) One of these weapons without a feeding device would be useless.

    This travesty must be defeated. Nothing "reasonable" about it.
     
  4. berettaprofessor

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    As near as I understand the language, there's none of that nonsense about putting semiautomatic weapons transfers under the NFA and making them subject to a $200 tax on transfer, correct?
     
  5. Steve51

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    Have you seen anything in the bill that requires background checks on all ammunition purchases?
     
  6. Blakenzy

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    Notice it says the "capacity to accept".. meaning that it doesn't have to have these features, just the potential to. Every semiauto handgun that doesn't have a built in magazine, or an unthreaded barrel that is part of the frame will fall under the definition of "semiautomatic assault weapon", and thus be banned.

    The only pistols to escape will be broomhandle Mausers.
     
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    Im glad this didn't pass. My Remington 870 (wood stock) and Winchester 670 were not on the list. The Remington 870 (synthetic stock) and Winchester Ranger were on the list though.
     
  8. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    Are you from the future?
     
  9. MAKster

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    If you owned a pre-ban assault weapon if you sold the rifle you could not also sell them any of your pre-ban 30 round mags. You can still sell the weapon it just means the new owner has to buy 10 round mags and cannot use pre-ban 30 rounders.
     
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    "Are you from the future?"
    :)
     
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    I'm surprised that Windham Weaponry AR's are not included in the named banned AR list also that the 10/22 is exempt.
     
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    You notice there are no handguns on the specifically exempted list?

    I'm mildly surprised that the m1 Carbine and Garand, and SKS are specifically allowed, but other than those, the list is page after page of "manually operated" or single/double barrel weapons which aren't subject to the bans anyway.

    All that list is for, is a prop so that Feinstein and her ilk can show how magnanimous they're being and that they don't really want to take our guns. After all, here's page after page that we'll allow!:fire:.
     
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    Check the definition on page #13 of the PDF: "The term ‘threaded barrel’ means a feature or characteristic that is designed in such a manner to allow for the attachment of a device such as a firearm silencer or a flash suppressor."

    Divide and conquer. Those rifles do not meet the "assault weapon" definition anyway, so why wouldn't Feinstein create good will by putting them on the "good gun" list.
     
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    I understand what a threaded barrel is.

    Re: the Bill and my previous post...I take issue with the "capacity to accept" and how it could be applied to common pistols.

    From what I understand, if your pistol has the "capacity to accept" a threaded barrel among other features (I assume any Browning inspired design that can have it's barrel quickly swapped has the "capacity to accept' a threaded aftermarket bbl) it could be classified an "assault weapon" and therefore prohibited by the ban.

    Glocks could be argued to have the "capacity to accept" a second pistol grip on the forward rail, and also be classified as an "AW" and banned as well.
     
  15. gc70

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    Okay, Blakenzy, I now understand your point.

    You are reading the text as:

    as opposed to:

     
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    So according to this latest hellish bill, a Walther p-22 with
    a threaded barrel and a silencerco sparrow suppressor with a $200 NFA
    tax stamp would be banned? Bull ****!

    Pig is trying to slip in handguns to this bill under the guise of assault weapons

    Damn congress critter.
     
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    Dianne Feinstein hates us all because it is the gun owners who ,time and time again, have shown, at the polling place, our power.
    She is now 80 years old, and HOPEFULLY at the end of her political career this current gasp,the Sandy Hook incident a typical response.
    Maybe, just maybe the'll find a place for her on the management of their Chinese Steel Mill and get her pesky Butt away from us FINALLY!
     
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    Page 18;

    ‘‘(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession
    2 of any large capacity ammunition feeding device otherwise
    3 lawfully possessed on or before the date of enactment of
    4 the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013.
     
  19. AlexanderA

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    Exactly. Notice that possession of hi-cap magazines is grandfathered, but not transfer (compare the language applying to the guns themselves, which grandfathers transfer). That means that you keep your magazines until you die, at which point they become contraband. This is problematic for Feinstein & co., because making something nontransferable reduces its economic value to zero, thereby triggering a "taking" which must be compensated under the 5th Amendment.
     
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    Ithaca Model 37, with its fearsome 4 round magazine and pump operated action was too scary to make the list.

    I think this part is really touching:

     
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    Wonder what would happen if all the gun owners in America sent her a letter saying they would support her bill? Maybe she would have a heart attack and save us a lot of grief.
     
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    It's a lot like what we have in CA. If you are fine with M1a and mini-14 with rifle and not pistol grip stocks you have some options. Just to be clear, I don't want this bill to pass.
     
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    Let Feinstein dictate to her constituants in California. She doesn't represent me, or any other gun owner outside the People's Republic. She is a dangerous politician and Obama loves her and her unconstitutional ideas. Birds of a feather...
     
  24. Trent

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    Let's see, if this passes, what would I have that's not a bolt action rifle or revolver that's still unregulated...

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    Yup, pretty short list.

    Clearly I'm supporting this bill.

    If it passes, can I get 90 or so "healthy and able bodied male volunteers" to help me turn in my collection? We'll just march those rifles right in to the authorities, business end first. :)
     
  25. gc70

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    Blakenzy - you have suggested that the ban text should be read as:

    The rebuttal to that reading would be from the list of 'approved' guns that includes the "Ruger Mini-14 (w/o folding stock)." The bill's text acknowledges that Mini-14s can accept folding stocks, but only bans Mini-14s that actually have folding stocks.
     
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