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FYI: new proposed "safety" device

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by LkWinnipesaukee, May 1, 2011.

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  1. LkWinnipesaukee

    LkWinnipesaukee Member

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    Based on what this guy has been saying he's confident this will be on every new gun sold.... Thoughts?

     
  2. THE DARK KNIGHT

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    He does have a point. The only reason car makers ever started making safer, more fuel efficient, less pollutant cars is because the government mandated that they do so. Crash tests from the 50's and 60s are absolutely horrendous with even the smallest accident resulting in horrendous death. Car makers continued to make inefficient, non-aerodynamic cars with lackluster horsepower and 6-8 average MPG. Fun fact, many modern 4cyl engines produce greater horsepower/torque than classic V8 muscle cars with triple the engine displacement. Detroit kicked and screamed over the years and avoided virtually every innovation in their arrogance and learned a hard lesson as a result.

    Honestly I'd be more interested to see more about the device and maybe it's a good alternative to a gun lock.
     
  3. crm7290

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    With automobiles it was the owners calling for safety. With guns its the people who do not own them calling for more safety.

    Maybe if the adults were practicing safe gun handling with that hunting rifle they wouldnt have had issues. Has anyone every been shot when everyone was safely handling the firearms? I don't think so (unless an accidental shot went up in the air and came down to hit someone but what are the odds of that)

    The people who care about safety more than likely already have trigger locks and some form of safe. Sure you can get by a trigger lock, but no little kid will be doing that.
     
  4. TexasRifleman

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    Really? I thought the purchase of automatic weapons had pretty much fallen off since May of 1986.

    Uh, no they aren't. M4's ship with a 7-9 pound trigger pull.

    Sounds like he doesn't know nearly as much about guns as he claims. Wonder if he sells shoulder things that go up?
     
  5. M-Cameron

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    do we have any servicemen or veterans who can confirm this....?

    i dont know if its the fact that im used to my ultralight match triggers......but 12 lbs seems excessively high.....almost to the point that it would impede the accuracy of the weapon.
     
  6. scythefwd

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    my m16a2 was no where near that.
     
  7. unspellable

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    Bird brain wants me to ship him my pistol frame via USPS marked as parts? No thanks, I don't need an all paid for vacation at one of those government resorts.
     
  8. EddieNFL

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    I have enough clutter in the gun room.
     
  9. M-Cameron

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    now i found this on their site.....and it kind of disturbs me......

    now ive never been in a gun fight, and thankfully ive never needed to use one to defend my life.........but this quote from topgun comes to mind:
     
  10. TexasRifleman

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    Wow you're right, I missed that part. Now we know he's completely insane and hasn't the slightest idea what he's talking about.
     
  11. HorseSoldier

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    None of the M16s or M4s I've ever been issued had what I would consider a wonderful trigger, but all of them were probably right around the nine pound figure quoted by TexasRifleman, not the 12 pounds from the original article.

    So this device basically basically fits your handgun with a pin that raises trigger pull to double action pistol levels for one shot, after which it breaks and your normal trigger pull comes into play? No part of that sounds like a winner to me -- I guess it might stop really small kids from being able to actuate a loaded weapon, but that's about it.
     
  12. Jim Watson

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    Wonder where the pieces of the shear pin go after that first shot?
    Might they bind up the trigger and keep you from getting off a second shot?

    They are coy about the price of their service and make no mention of bulk quantities of shear pins if you should happen to want to practice with the gimmick. Although they mention that you can take the pin out if you are in a "tournament."

    I notice that they spell "preformance" about as well as the typical facebooker.
     
  13. firearmnut

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    I have to say no thanks.
     
  14. M-Cameron

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    it is becoming blatantly apparent this guy has never shot a gun in his life........i wonder if he know the "safety bullet" guy.

    so heavy triggers........mean more accuracy.......?

    man, better not let all those professional and Olympic shooters in on that little secret......
     
  15. gc70

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    From TM-9-1005-319-23-P, Rifle 5.56MM-M16A2 W/E, Carbine 5.56MM-M4, Carbine 5.56MM-M4A1

     
  16. Zach S

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    Not hardly. Some 6 cyls maybe, but you're still comparing to the published hp rating. A lot of those engines were under-rated to save on insurance premiums. Take the 375hp L78 for example, it actually made closer to 425.

    Maybe they shouldn't have been so careless with a hot rifle...
     
  17. infuriatednoodle

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    Oh God, not again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :uhoh:
     
  18. Owen Sparks

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    Sounds like a trigger job in reverse, no thanks.
     
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    Is this a late April fools? Because this guy cant be serious....oh wait...
     
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    From the inventor:

    Thanks jackwagon. Nice way to throw every new gun owner under the bus.

    I have the perfect name for Mr. Lee's device: "DEFECTIVE BY DESIGN".


    Jeffrey
     
  21. Vern Humphrey

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    True. And last time I checked the Center for Disease Control site, they showed a total of 762 accidental firearms deaths, nation-wide, for the most recent year -- and this in a nation of over 300 million people!! That works out to 0.3 deaths per hundred thousand.

    By contrast, there 17,550 accidental deaths due to poisoning (5.85 per 100,000), 16,257 due to falls (5.14 per 100,000) and 5,517 due to suffocation (1.84 per 100,000).

    And firearms accident rates are declining. So where is this "rapidly growing problem of accidental shootings" with any type of firearm?
     
  22. Ole Coot

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    I don't buy new guns with extra locks. Ruger lost a sale on their new mini nine after I saw you had to use their key to field strip the darn thing. Next will be an alarm like when you don't put your seat belt on or have a loaded mag or cartridge in the chamber.
     
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    It doesn't get any safer than a gun in a proper holster and a fast-access safe for when it's not on your body.

    Accidental shootings are at the lowest level on record, so I'm not a big fan of this guy criticizing gun owners in an attempt to drum up sales. I'm fine with people putting whatever safety devices they want on their own guns, but from what this guy is saying it seems like he wants to get this mandated by the government--that's something we don't need.
     
  24. LkWinnipesaukee

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  25. M-Cameron

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    all from one of his wall posts......
    well then, if these get mandated.....then it shouldnt be to much of a financial burden for you to cover the cost........can i expect a check?

    i look forward to seeing a full page spread in the next issue of the brady campaign quarterly

    very very professional.....

    well weve finally found and answer to that nagging question "how many people does it take to interpret federal law?"..........apparently its two govt agencies and a fool.
     
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