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G&A's 2015 list of best gun owner states

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by oneounceload, Jul 28, 2015.

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  1. jim in Anchorage

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    I object strongly to Alaska not being #1. I am not aware of ANY state barriers to gun ownership. What more can we do?
     
  2. Red Wind

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    Get rid of having to notify the LEO upon official contact, one of only 9 states, & having to notify the homeowner that you are carrying before entry to their domicile, one of only 4 states.

    That will help for starters.
     
  3. jim in Anchorage

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    Not being to mail ammo may be due to haz-mat shipping restrictions rather then state law. I have the same problem here as most cargo comes/goes by air.
     
  4. usfan

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    I'm in Az, too, & always enjoy seeing open carry, & the distinct lack of crime in small towns. Too many people CC, with or without permits. When my FFL asks me if i have a CC permit, i always say, 'Just the constitution.. it has worked for me so far..' He'll chuckle, & call it in.

    IMO, the laws in Az should be nationwide. They are what the US constitution intended. There are too many 'infringements' in some states. I sometimes carry in Utah, when visiting my daughter, & realize i'm breaking the law. How can that be? I'm still in America, & still have the 2nd amendment, don't i? Why do i need a carry permit if i'm in another state? The slow whittling away of the constitution is at the heart of our problems, & not just the 2nd amendment. The other 9 in the bill of rights are in jeopardy, too.
     
  5. ol' scratch

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    I was really surprised at Ohio's ranking when compared to Michigan. I think their list is flawed. The pistol permit is still required if you purchase a firearm from anyone other than an FFL if you don't have a CCW. Ohio has no such requirement.

    I did notice that there was a far greater number of states that were friendly toward gun owners than those who are not. Of course you have the usual players, but there were far fewer states who have pushed for further regulation than those who have rolled back laws or who have strengthened pro second amendment legislation. All of this despite the President and his peanut gallery screaming for further regulation that they now call "common" sense which implies if you don't support them, you don't have common sense.
     
  6. Lord Teapot

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    florida could be changing. all legislative boundaries being re-worked. high possibility of anti-2nd amendment majority next election.
     
  7. Neo-Luddite

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    IL is @ 43 and the facts aren't quite right. SBR's are in fact allowed and unlike higher ranked Colorado there is not a standard cap mag ban. Outsiders to IL make much of the FOID, but in fact all it is is a form and 10 bucks to get one and its existence has kept the private-sale naysayers in check as an online anonymous FOID check has made private sales less arguable for the anti's. We've made so much progress in the last 10 years, we've got plenty to crow about and we keep beating back the anti's like crazy. So we aren't Indiana, but we're working on it.
     
  8. ApacheCoTodd

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    Seems a generally well presented listing.

    I see it as calmly thought out and presented though I know a great many will argue based upon insider suffering in their respective states. From an outsider point of view it seems about as accurate as one would hope for given the nature of the offering and number of particulars taken into account.

    Still, I can't help but feel it represents a wonderful "hit-list" for THEM to use in a general strategic sense and a more tactical list for particular targeting.

    All in all, I'd rather they'd not compiled and published it.

    Todd.
     
  9. X-Rap

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    I would say folks ought to look at the various state laws themselves and disregard the G&A list as it really is of little use.
    I find this a much more useful resource http://www.handgunlaw.us/ having a permit of even Constitutional Carry is of little use if it won't allow you to have the gun where you want/need it.
     
  10. razorback2003

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    That is right. A handgun does not do people any good if they have to leave a handgun in a vehicle half the time because of state law not allowing carrying in certain locations.
     
  11. Red Wind

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    Even with some boundary changes, the Democrats will still be in the mass minority.
    Rest easy,Lord T! :cool:
     
  12. Old Dog

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    Guns & Ammo seems to have had some issues with whomever did the research for its list. Many factual errors, some egregious can be spotted in the little blurb accompanying each state's ranking (as a much earlier poster from my state pointed out).

    I-594's passage notwithstanding, to have non-open carry states ranked much higher than Washington is rather a joke in itself, especially considering the legal penalties in a couple of those states for even accidently revealing your "concealed" handgun.

    G&A's bogus rankings are rather a joke.
     
  13. ak257

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    Hawaii has screwy gun laws for sure, but I often run into gun owners on the Big Island...many who have the black variety.
     
  14. SSN Vet

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    Odd method of ranking...

    ME is one of only 5 states that have "Constitutional Carry". It also has shall issue, open carry and allows NFA and EBRs, yet get's ranked #29... mostly for not having the best reciprocity?
     
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  15. Midwest

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    I suggest we do our own ranking. The most pluses gets the # 1 spot, each plus gets 10 points. Each negative gets -10 points.

    +10 Category Points
    Permitless Concealed carry
    Open Carry
    Open Carry without permit
    Open Carry in car without permit
    All NFA Allowed
    Sheriff NFA Sign Off
    Strong Self Defense Laws
    No Permits To Purchase
    No AWB
    Protection from Confiscation During an Emergency
    No Hand Gun Roster
    State Preemption
    Very Few Places that Prohibit Carry
    No Fees for NICS
    No Duty to inform
    Carry license also covers knives, brass knuckles, martial arts defense.
    OK to carry in business vehicles
    OK to Carry rifle uncased in vehicle
    OK to carry rifle loaded in vehicle
    OK to have carry weapon in car at business parking lot
    College or school carry


    -10 Category Points
    Discretionary Non Issue Carry Permits Statewide > NJ, MD and HI
    Limited or No Reciprocity of carry permits
    Carry Permit requires separate qualification for each handgun caliber or type
    Permit to Purchase Long Arms
    Permit to Purchase Handguns
    Permit needed to Purchase Ammo
    No online sales of Ammo
    NFA Prohibition
    NFA Prohibition of some items
    NFA Prohibition of some items but NFA sign off nearly impossible
    Waiting Period Long Arms
    Waiting Period Handguns
    One Handgun a Month Limit
    Handgun Registration
    Long Gun Registration
    Safety course required before purchasing or permit to purchase
    State NICS Fees
    Limited State NICS Hours
    State NICS Closed Sunday and State Holidays
    Excessive Fees for Permit to Acquire Handgun > New York City
    Excessive Carry Permit Fees
    References needed to get permit to purchase long guns
    References needed to get permit to purchase handguns
    References needed to get carry permit
    Handgun Roster
    Airguns and Black Powder Guns considered firearms (Permit to Purchase needed)
    No State Preemption every town or city can have different firearms laws
    No Protection from Confiscation During an Emergency
    Weak Self Defense Laws
    Many Off Limits Places for Carrying
    "Assault Weapons Ban" of some type
    Submitting each handgun to state for ballistics testing
    Limited transport laws
    Separate Ammunition storage in vehicle
    Duty to inform
    Not OK to carry in business vehicles
    Not OK to Carry rifle uncased in vehicle
    Not OK to carry rifle loaded in vehicle
    Not OK to have carry weapon in car at business parking lot
    No college or school carry


    I think we can narrow down the 50 states better using the criteria above. I think NJ would rank # 50 and Hawaii # 49. Even their laws are almost similar, I think NJ is worse in many ways. NJ, MD and HI all have discretionary non issue carry permits.

    While Illinois has 3 day waiting period for a handgun and 1 day for a rifle, they have no additional permits to acquire other than the FIOD. Rhode Island maybe worse in that respect because they have a seven day waiting period for both long guns and handguns.
    While Massachusetts also has a FID scheme, but they also have the hand gun roster. IL and MA have carry permits, in RI it is a 50/50 chance. Using this criteria, Illinois is better and more gun friendlier than Massachusetts and Rhode Island.

    If New York City was a state, it would rank worse than NJ because of the transport laws, higher fees, more paperwork and longer time to acquire a just a premises only handgun license. And long guns are also registered and must be renewed.

    There are a lot of variables here to consider, but interesting nonetheless to start our own ranking based on all or some of the above.
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    Edit: I edited the above to add more category points
     
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  16. X-Rap

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    I'd also add permitless concealed carry in vehicle or business.
    Public school, college carry (different degrees from parking lot/vehicle to full on concealed in classroom).
    Parking lot vehicle carry and storage.
    Duty to inform.
    Uncased/ loaded long guns (magazine or chamber)
    Non permited storage transport laws including ammunition

    To me it's about the freedom to carry on and do as I please if I am not harming someone else, many states have a facade of freedom but it is based on some document that they issue and rules that are so convoluted they are clearly designed to obstruct or entrap.
     
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  17. MarkDido

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    NYC is different from the entire country...
     
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