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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by dakota.potts, Jan 24, 2014.

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  1. Glock-17ECR

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    I just want to know where I can purchase these

    I visited the site for the G2 RIP Ammunition and watched the video. It appears these will be some very deadly rounds if they hit most anywhere above the waist. The Multiple Impact Bullet from Advanced Ballistic Concepts is also a game changer when it comes to lethality from just a single shot. I know that if the single shot is accurate and put in the right place, even a .22 round can be lethal but for the sake of a panic or a SHTF situtation, both of these advanced rounds would be great to have loaded into my 17 round magazine.
     
  2. DT Guy

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    That video is *nearly* a spoof of itself.

    The thing is, this ammo COULD be great, but they'll never sell me any this way. Maybe a couple of Hornady-style guys in lab coats, comparing gel disruption and wound channels, would have worked better.

    Larry
     
  3. horsemen61

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    Yeah it looks way to gimmicky for my taste
     
  4. torqem

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    wow divide 90 grs by 9 frags,

    you get all the weight (and penetration) of a #2 birdshot pellet, whoopee. Now, if the bullet weighed 60 grs and was traveling 2200 fps(9x23 Winchester), and had just 3 segments, that would be a different deal entirely
     
  5. JRH6856

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    Just make sure they don't turn your Glock into a single shot pistol.
     
  6. MrDig

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    I was reading at the web site that they want to introduce a shot gun slug like that:eek: If it preforms like the 9mm in the Video does that would be a gruesome site.
     
  7. scaatylobo

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    Price & name

    Due to the price AND the name = I will not bother with them.

    don't need more ammo [ tongue in cheek ] for the state to hassle me in a S/D shoot.

    At $ 2 dollars a round ND the fact that no agency will issue them,I pass.

    I love = yes LOVE to carry a round that is issue to some [ any ] police agency as it would be up to that agency to state why it was used,me = I bought them since I figured the cop's know what to use !.

    btw = I still carry the ammo that is issued to my old agency for that same reason.
     
  8. stressed

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    So it's like a mix of the old fangface and the old aguila fragmenting round, a 9mm version of the CCI.22 quik shok.

    Problem being, I'd like to see real world flesh penetration with that 96 grain bullet with all the fragmenting parts. I'm thinking shallow penetration. I'll get a box and test it through a 9mm carbine of 16" bbl velocity and energy.

    Yeah, birdshot from a shotgun into gel looks "devastating" too as well, but doesn't reach anything vital.

    Here's an interesting idea... What if a bullet had teeth similar to a saw blade in a clockwise direction, and took advantage of the rifling spinning the bullet in said direction when fired to "saw through". Would it be deep penetrating? Anymore damage then ball? So many possibilities really.
     
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  9. TennJed

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    That multiple impact bullet is not a game changer. It is a silly gimmick, and not even a good one.
     
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  10. Agsalaska

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    Interesting 1st post to say the least.
     
  11. Cryogaijin

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    I suspect, for it to actually work well, they'd need to make the fragments out of something denser than copper. Tungsten or tantalum would work well. As Stressed said, it is similar to how birdshot LOOKS dangerous, until you note how quickly the individual pellets slow down.

    Also, we don't know if the gel in the videos was properly calibrated, so unverified gel vids aren't terribly impressive to me.
     
  12. Deus Machina

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    Translation:

    "It functions as a bullet."
    "We designed it to do the exact thing other bullets are designed not to do, we're just trying to do it in a controlled manner."

    Assuming the gel is correct, it looks like it could be a lethal round, but it also looks like the immediate effects might be lacking.
    Also looks like it may introduce some feeding issues.
     
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    What is it selling? Buzzsaw penetration?

    Why is that any help at all? What does it do better than existing bullets - which have extensive testing, and use in the field, to back them up?

    Buy some, run it thru the FBI protocol, and get back with us on that, vendor. If someone is going to establish credibility as being effective, then it should demonstrate superior performance in measurable categories that result in numbers that can and will be compared - and easily duplicated.

    Anything less is hype.

    In the world of macho marketing, this is known as "Dork OPs." Make it extremely visual with all sorts of useless tie-ins, claims that are actually abusive to those with intellect, and dress it up with every aspect of being a sumo wrestler product. Overbearingly masculine.

    In reality it's a shill product targeted to those who assess things emotionally, not rationally.

    You want a buzz saw round, show me a side of beef with a large hole thru it revealing daylight. Then shoot live targets, like hogs, side by side with conventional rounds and measure mean time to death for each. Oh yes they do - they don't talk about it, that's all.

    This ad is formatted exactly the same way that Monster Trucks at the Fairgrounds! sell tickets, and it works using the same emo cues which avoid all reasoning. Works pretty good with the susceptible demographic. Same guys bolt on Flowmasters to impress pretty girls.

    The girls aren't, just ask them.

    If you like this product, you are being hyped. It's ok, just money, buy some and learn. After 40 years of this manipulation you see it coming and just laugh. It's all part of the fleecing of men 18-29 with raging testosterone.
     
  14. Yo Mama

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    I want to see the actual ballistics, not just video of ballistic gel being shot.

    The full auto Glock was cute. Wonder why they decided to stop looping it after the third time.

    Oh, and "the future for law enforcement" part was the best. I'm sure the local PD is looking at "upgrading" soon.
     
  15. Mike1234567

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    But, but, but... they're so kewl!!
     
  16. Sam1911

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    Oh, not just that! They even found a Beretta 93R to show off! Between that, and the fact that they have matching embroidered shirts -- I'm pretty convinced that this is a serious defensive product!

    No one would have matching embroidered shirts if they weren't serious!
     
  17. Double Naught Spy

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    I think the round shows some interesting promise, but I doubt the claimed results. It is a shame that they introduced the notion of sawtooth action (buzzsawing) with the round as that definitely makes it sound hokey. Assuming the gel tests are valid, it certainly meets SD penetration standards, but only with the core of the bullet, the petals obviously not penetrating that deeply.

    I have to laugh at the repulsion of new goodies in an often old school, unwilling to entertain new ideas, stick in the mud, GOB networks, Henry Ford mentality. Heaven forbid something be new, innovative, or different. Back in the day, you would have thought pink grips were the downfall of the firearms industry, that companies would stoop so low to defile firearms in such a manner was perceived as blasphemy. This was just a product introduced at the Shot Show. There were LOTS of new products introduced at the Shot Show and as such don't have a track record of any sort either, but lots of claims.

    I see lots of new ammo introduced by reputable companies that don't come with all the demands you have made. While I agree that it would be nice to see the round put through the paces by independent testers, the basic information put forth so far indicates that it would likely get through many of the FBI protocols. They are off to a good start with what is documented in their videos.

    Whether or not you like this product, if you have see the ad, the you have been subjected to the pitch, just like with any other ads. Advertising is often a form of hype, regardless of the quality of the product. All of the big name companies do it to a certain extent, whether it be with what you liken to 18-29 year old raging testosterone men or anyone who wants to be like an of the big name gun gurus hocking wares for various companies or any of the companies that use guys dress in SWAT gear, famous, or pretty girls. This is all rampant in the gun industry and is a standardized form of advertising. The bottom line here is that the pitch for the product is not what does or does not make the product performance viable.
     
  18. Sam1911

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    Maybe it's a kind of reverse-psychology. Make the ad video so bad that the product MUST be good?
    :)

    I guess I'm still unsure what it is that bullets DON'T do now, that these new rounds will do, that's something we need. The real problem is always hitting what you're aiming at, and the weak link in the chain is always going to be making sure the shooter is up to the task. So very often, new tech seems to serve as a distraction from the very great need to improve the biggest flaw in the system.

    Factors in a successful self-defense shooting:
    Bullet: 1%
    Gun: 4%
    Chance: 20%
    Me: 75%

    So...let's dump money and effort into that bullet...:uhoh:
     
  19. Torian

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    YAWN.

    The overall wound channel / cavitation from the round is ultimately smaller than other ballistic gel tests I've seen. I've seen 9mm and .357 SIG hollowpoints do more damage. I also question whether that gel block was even properly calibrated to begin with.

    This is just a bunch of marketing BS...and all it does is get the sheep worked up into a bleating frenzy. I've already seen gun-grabbers calling this the "new black talon" or similarly themed "armor piercing rounds". I would also never want to run a bullet with that nose profile through my weapon in a life or death scenario.
     
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  20. Mike1234567

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    What I don't understand is that DDupleks isn't suing them for patent infringement.
     
  21. forindooruseonly

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    I just wanna know if the box comes with pictures of ninjas on it. If so, I'm SOLD!

    That is also the clearest, jiggliest, ballistic gelatin I've ever seen.
     
  22. Erik M

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    reminds me of the extreme shock stuff thats been out for years. Ive watched the youtube video, impact was something else but penetration looked sub par. I will stick with my gold dots.
     
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    Ninjas were so 70's-80's man... Zombies are the new thing.
     
  25. tarosean

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    But that's the last bullet you'll ever need!



    I guess its a good thing it shatters on impact.. That way we have no clue how many of the mini projectiles got ripped off from rifling. :evil:
     
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