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Gamo Whisper help

Discussion in 'Air Guns' started by Bullseye, Dec 26, 2016.

  1. Bullseye
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    I have a friends .177 cal Gamo Whisper with the plastic trigger here at the house that my friend wanted to sell.
    He wanted me to see if I could get it to shoot straight-er.
    I took it to the range and it was finally sighted in to a 2 inch group at about 30 yds off a bench on a sandbag.
    Not very impressive. Using Red Flame and Raptor pellets.
    I don't think the rifle is worth the cost of a trigger replacement upgrade.
    The scope mount grooves reminds me of a Savage 93 22 mag I had. There are 3/8 or 1/2 inch grooves for the base ( where I used narrow groove base rings on my old 93 ) Then on top of the base is another 1 pc base with a pin beneath it to lock in place and rings as part of it .
    To top it off, there appears to be a rather cheap scope.

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    All this to put a scope on has me skepticle where accuracy is concerned.
    Here's a generic image from Gamo but the scope looks different.

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    So, he said it was about $250.00 new and I told him it wouldn't get that. I see new ones last sold on Midway for $169.00 I think but these are discontinued. I don't want to offer him any more than $150 if I get it working to 2 moa at 50 yds. It should do that much.
    This morning I had squirrels laughing at me and I shot at them around 50 yds out.
    Yes there's a lot of travel and creep in the trigger. I do think it breaks crisp though. I think I can get it to shoot without pulling too much. The spring may be so powerful that it get's off target before the pellet leaves the barrel. I don't know.

    Is it the scope? Is it this rifle? Does it need cleaned often? Or are these just not all that good?
    Any suggestions? I was thinking a better scope and or mount configuration might be better.
    Those rings on my Savage worked pretty good.
    Thanks
     
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    #1. Springer (Break Barrel) air guns are a bit harder to shoot than other types of airguns. The hold has to be very consistent from shot to shot for shooting tight groups. That piston accelerating before the pellet leaves the bore makes shooting a challenge. Gas Spring (Nitro piston) guns aren't too much better, IMO.

    #2. Gamo triggers usually suck. The travel and creep means the gun will be pointed in a different direction when the trigger finally breaks. I've seen it myself and could almost predict with each shot that when I started the trigger press, I wouldn't be on target when I completed the trigger press. If you really like the gun and are willing to put up money for a trigger upgrade, check to see if a Charlie Da Tuna trigger is available for that particular Gamo. The Da Tuna trigger will adjust out all creep and you get a lighter trigger pull as well. http://charliedatuna.com/GRT-4G.htm

    #3. Yep, Gamo branded scopes are usually cheap. Centerpoint airgun scopes aren't great, but are a step up, IMO.

    #4. I can't speak to the accuracy of the pellet types you mention. I use Benjamin/Crosman Premiers or RWS Superdomes with better success than some pellets out there.

    If you replace the trigger, and the Gamo scope isn't at fault, I suspect you could make that Gamo a 1.0" to 1.5" shooter at 30 yards.
     
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    Thanks Cousin Eddie !
    You probably covered it.
    I had looked at the charliedatuna site last night. Also saw a video on how to CAREFULLY install one. Gotta watch out for the spring pressure as it can or will cause injury if it goes flying. There's a block I would have to use and the guy used a scissors jack to release the pressure and put it back together. I didn't look at the cost. The work looked like enough to put that off.
    It's just for out back for the rats with bushy tails and chipmunks. I would like to shoot them at a distance where they aren't on the lawn so I don't have to pick them up.
    Maybe some practice will have me improve to the point that I'll hit something.
    Maybe I'll swap out the scope with something I have here and see if it helps.
     
  4. Tacoma

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    FWIW, I've never had luck getting consistently with anything bearing the Gamo name. Personally, I'd invest your $150 in another brand.

    p.s Charlies triggers are an excellent value though. I've purchases several from him over the years.
     
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    Chich pretty much covered it. One thing ive found helped is to restst the gun in your palm and your hand on the bags when shooting springers. Ive tried the artillery hold and couldnt get consistent, so went to normal style holding accept not ever resting the gun on anything besides my palm.

    Oh and of the cheap pelets i think the Crosman Premiers are the first to try. I like the JSB Exacts better but they are pricey.
     
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    I'll try that resting the rifle forearm on my palm. This appears to be shooting over them squirrels.
    I don't want you guys to think I'm wasteful. These squirrels are destructive and steal a lot of the bird feeder primo stuff my wife buys to feed the birdies.
    The coyotes will pick the dead ones up at night. Maybe they'll hang around and I'll get to shoot a coyote or two with a 223 and save the deer and turkey chicks. We got a pack of them running around on a regular basis.
    My buddy just got a fisher cat the other day. This pellet gun won't get them or coyotes but it might bring in the varmints for a squirrel supper.
     
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    After more research, I think rather than insult my buddy with a very low offer on the Gamo Whisper, I am going to buy a Daisy 853 refurb from CMP.
    OK will a 400+ fps pellet still kill a squirrel? At least with this Daisy 853 I will hit the things.
    I am only going to use this on chippies and squirrels and occasional crows within 50 ft I suppose.
    Just wonder if I am able to kill them rather than injure only.
    I realize I am going to be getting less than half the fps out of one of these.
    Thanks guys
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    Those Daisy's while very accurate probably arent the best choice.
    400 from a .22 and id be pretty confident inside of about 10-15yds. My rat plinker will kill large rats at 5 pumps so 450ish. The .177 might punch a hole well enough to kill them after a while but probably wont drop the on the spot, unless you shoot them in the head.

    I'd probably go for a pump up gun tho. they take longer than a single stroke pneumatic, but offer more power(or less) while not being hard to shoot like most springers.

    There are some mid power springers that should be pretty easy to shoot, and plenty for what you want. Im not super familiar with this field of airguns.

    I'd suggest a benji pumper, but thats just because they are so nice. Honestly ive owned a ton of the cheaper crosmans and daisys and all have done what you want for about 40-50 bucks.

    Another fun gun are the CO2 powerd rifles or crosman pistols, they cost more to operate but offer similar power to a pumper but a faster repeat shot and more "firearm" lile feel. Major down side is if they get cold you loose power.
     
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    I found a Beeman webpage with some interesting data of minimum squirrel head punching needed ( 415 fps ) and another webpage stating Max fps for the Daisy 853 pellet being 510 fps.
    I might be OK with this.
    Better to hit at 450 + than to miss at 950 all day.

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    These refurbs are costing under $125 to the door tho. Everyone raves about them for the money. Haven't seen a bad comment anywhere.
     
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    Thats very true, close dont count lol.
    The 853s are excellent rifles, ive shot a few, and for targets they would be hard to beat. If they can hit 500ish (ive never run one over a chrony, but daisys usually pretty close in velocity projection), id be willing to use one at short range for squirle size critters.
     
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    Thanks a lot. The Gamo is going to be returned after I dial it in best I can for the guy. The one pump gun I can deal with. Those pump and pump and pump ones will only scare a squirrel away.
    and believe me ... they are scared enough already from pellets whizzing by from the Gamo.

    SCORE
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    Hah! Yeah doves learned the sound of my springer and wouldnt fly off. Let us know how that gun that gun works out, it should be really fun!
     
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    Sent off $119.95 for a monte carlo stock refurb Daisy Avanti 853 today. Picture will follow when it arrives.
    The squirrels are out there having a business meeting.
    LATE EDIT:
    My 853 order was good and this is going to probably ship early next week according to Tommy from CMP. Woo Hoo!
     
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    Just found your thread, but just for whatever it is worth, I have a GAMO Shadow 1000, which as far as I know is basically the same gun as the "Whisper" just without the whispering. Same specs for powerplant, etc.

    Yes, the trigger is long, gritty, and even annoying at times.
    Yes, the scope from GAMO is cheap (which is why I have a Winchester scope on mine, which is again junk, but better junk than GAMO's scope (which is a BSA, I think).
    Yes, it is picky about the hold you use, and the pellets you use.

    However, I have gotten dime size 5 shot groups at 40 yards on occasion. I have gotten (since we are dealing with US currency for group size...) quarter size groups more consistently with Crosman Premier hollow points (.177).

    And, for whatever my opinion is worth, you will probably like the Daisy better. However, I have gotten squirrels (on the ground) past 100 yds with mine, and I don't think you will be doing that with your Daisy. It took several shots, and quite a bit of Kentucky elevation and wind reading, but it sure was fun to do that "long range" shooting! I think the Daisy will be short on power for what you want, but just make sure you get noggin shots at close range and you should be just fine with good pellets.

    My gun is a 2006 model, and I do think that GAMO's quality control has suffered in the last ten years. However, theoretically, that Whisper really SHOULD shoot better than that.
     
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    If the whisper were mine, I would try a little harder to figure it out and since it is not worth much to me,
    I am returning it with more pellets than when it was loaned out.
    If ineffective on squirrels, there's always the chipmunks too. My wife will be shooting this 853 a lot since she hates them.
    If we didn't have the little doggie here, I'd use a .223 handi rifle on those squirrels or a pistol but he doesn't like gunshots at all. Out here in the country, I can shoot anything. Almost everybody shoots out here.
     
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    Gamo is an OK brand...the person that said springers are the hardest thing in the world to shoot. end of story....and high power springers nothing more difficult.

    It takes a special skill set to master magnum springers....and a great many walmart shoppers lack that in great amounts.
     
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    and I'm one of them, for sure. That is probably the main issue for both me and my buddy who owns the Gamo.
     
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    Yet that type of airgun is the one that appeals to Walmart management the most! Other than the occasional multi-pump, magnum springers are about all they carry! Ah, its a vicious cycle...

    My GAMO was a Walmart gun, and it took a while, but I figured it out... It was given to me as a gift, and I didn't know anything about airguns at the time anyway. Someday I'd like to get into PCP airguns, but at the moment ARs are legal and cheap, so that will probably be my next big project.
     
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    I did not mean that comment as a jab. Just try to educate and the amount of anti-"cheap" air guns really makes my stomach turn.

    Those high FPS numbers on the side of those boxes do sell the item.....and with the correct pellet it will run those numbers.....however those high powered guns are the most difficult thing to shoot well. They are not cheap, or low quality, they are no more difficult to shoot then any other LIKE powered air rifle.

    What many people do is get something that is less powerful, MSP or PCP....then sing praise, and damn the other product.

    Many good sources out there for the new air gunner.....use them hard air magazine is an online rag, GTA is very biased IMHO, yellow is a great source....do some research not unlike if your powder rifles.
     
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    Springers firing cycle, and larger moving mass, cause them to be harder to shoot than any other type of air rifle of equal or greater power. Thats not to say that someone can't achieve good accuracy and consistency, but it takes more practice. Also one of the issues is that not enough pellets brand, types, and weights are tried.

    Gamo builds a solid rifle but compared to more expensive guns, other springers included, they arent as refined. For basic plinking and mid range hunting they offer a great value, and if the newer triggers are in the same class as some of the nicer guns than they maybe an excellent value.

    PCPs offer a different experience, they are much easier to shoot, far more like a cartridge arm. Entry level guns usually produce better power and useable accuracy than entry level spriners, or are easily modified to do so. PCPs also benefit significantly more from shrouding than springers.

    PCPs major downfall is that it takes a significant investment to operate even the cheapest ones, and you have extra equipment to lug around. They also take more effort per shot than a springer. More maintenance is not necessarily required, but to keep performance up its usually a good idea.
    Really i see PCPs, even the entry level guns, as the next step for someone whos addicted to air rifles.
    I got out of pcps a while ago, but am thinking about getting back in.

    Personally ive got addicted to co2 powered guns as they offer a nice compromise between the convenience of a springer and the easy of use of a pcp. Tho they dont generaly produce the power.of either unless heavily modified, my .22 QB78 repeater will hit 20flbs with 25grn jsbs @ 630. The tune for that tho only produces 20ish shots per 2 12grams. My normal tune are thr 16grn jsbs at 550-600
    Living hawaii I dont have the cold weather issues, so that is a major boon for co2 guns.
     
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    Sounds great! :cool:
     
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    The refurb 853 did show up late last week. Looks OK. I've been a bit busy with other things to get it set up.
    I am going to test fire then do the stock over. I was expecting it to be a bit rough and it is but it looks as if they already stripped it if it had any finish. There's none on it now.
    I'll post a pic here soon of before and after.
     
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    Cool looking forward to hearing how you like it.
     
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    So much for the before pictures. I got started on it and forgot I wanted to take some.
    Theres no cracks in the wood. It was gouged a bit from use. Permanent marker numbers and such.
    This is as far as I got. Some sanding and Minwax stain and some Formby's so far.
    I'll be working it over until it looks great.
    Just haven't shot it yet. I did oil the seals and other spots up and dry fired it 3 times.
    Waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than the Gamo. I may get a crack at it tomorrow and sight in the peep hole.

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    Doggone it Bullseye! Now I want one, and you haven't even fired it yet!
     

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