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Gang activity is now a Homeland Security Threat??

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  1. CTRL-ALT-DEL

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    Two-week effort nets 582 gang arrests
    Homeland Security operation targets members in 27 states

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Federal authorities arrested 582 alleged gang members over a two-week period, officials said Monday, targeting an estimated 80 violent groups they say have spawned street crimes across the country.

    Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff called the gangs "a threat to our homeland security and ... a very urgent law enforcement priority."

    Investigators picked up most of the offenders between July 16 and July 28 on immigration violations for being in the United States illegally. Seventy-six face criminal charges, ranging from illegal possession of a firearm to holding fraudulent documents.

    "For too long, these gangs have gone unchecked -- flouting all laws and demonstrating a blatant disregard for public safety," Chertoff said in announcing the arrests by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents. ICE is an arm of the Homeland Security Department.

    Investigators targeted members in 27 states of what they considered to be the most violent street gangs, including Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13; Surenos; the 18th Street Gang; Latin Kings; the Mexican Mafia; Border Brothers; Brown Pride and numerous others.

    Many of the arrests came in large urban areas, including 61 in Boston, Massachusetts, 28 in Denver, Colorado, and 23 each in Los Angeles, California, and Detroit, Michigan. But even smaller cities have been infiltrated by the gangs, the arrests showed, including 42 in Birmingham, Alabama, and one each in Grand Rapids, Michigan; Sioux Falls, South Dakota; and North Platte, Nebraska.

    The crackdown is part of ICE's ongoing "Operation Community Shield" campaign, targeting gang activity with other federal and state authorities. So far, ICE has made 1,057 arrests as part of the sting.

    More than half of them have been members of MS-13, a street gang rooted in Central America where members have been known to behead enemies and attack with grenades and machetes. Federal officials estimate between 8,000 and 10,000 MS-13 members live in 31 states.

    "We're just getting started," said ICE investigations chief Marcy Forman.

    http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/01/gang.arrests.ap/index.html
     
  2. AZ Jeff

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    While it's laudable that the feds are helping go after street gangs, it's just another example of a law created for one purpose being twisted for use in a totally different area.

    Reminds me of misuse the "zero tolerance" rules in the "war on drugs", the misuse of RICO statutes.................
     
  3. Kurush

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    Sounds like they're trying to lay the PR groundwork for using terrorism legislation against gangs. I am just so surprised :rolleyes: :barf:
     
  4. Rebar

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    Dumb move. We need to be focusing in on terrorists and their enablers, not street gangs. Besides, if they really want to hurt gangs, they need to close the border.
     
  5. Blue Line

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    While this may sound new its not. They went out and picked up a bunch of illegals and locked them up pending deportation. ICE since INS and Border Patrol are part of what was customs has always had this authority. They should round up a few more cause that is a very small % of what's out there.
    Also you'd be surprised at where some of these gangs’ ill gotten gains end up all around the world.

    I’m surprised at the previous comments because there’s always somebody wound up about illegal aliens and why no one is doing anything about it. Now they’ve done something and there are complaints about them doing it. :confused:
     
  6. Ezekiel

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    I understand what you're saying, but its not as if all the folks in Watts, Harlem, and Little Rock (recall the TV special?) are illegal...
     
  7. Alex45ACP

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    We are witnessing the rise of the police state.
     
  8. Andrew Rothman

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    Federal immigration officials picked up a bucketload of the worst violent criminal illegal aliens, and y'all are bitching about it?

    [yell]THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING![/yell]

    They're not cracking down on the Bloods (which would be fine with me, actually, but not Immigration's job), but on illegal immigrants who are part of violent gangs.

    What's the problem, again?
     
  9. CTRL-ALT-DEL

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    I am afraid you are right. I thought long and hard about posting that aritcle. It scares me that Homeland Security would be involved in Gang activity, which is a LE problem. I have not problem with LE dropping the hammer on gangs, wish they would do more, I do have a problem with Gangs being labled a HOMELAND SECURITY problem. That just opens to many doors that we do not want opened. Think about it, do we really want this?
     
  10. CTRL-ALT-DEL

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    NO, we are worried about this:

     
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    I talked with a few cops in Manassas VA about this, and they said it's just a blanket ruling to try and cut down on the MS-13 threat. Their activities are listed as extortion and racketeering IIRC.
     
  12. Highland Ranger

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    More specifically what we are worried about is the predictable eventuality of this sentence being uttered:

    Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff called [GUN OWNERS] "a threat to our homeland security and ... a very urgent law enforcement priority."
     
  13. Marshall

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    HR, you got an article on that?
     
  14. Highland Ranger

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    Not yet . . . . but I fear we will see it in our lifetime.
     
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    You can be sure that "homeland security" is going to suffer just as much "mission creep" as the War on Drugs has. Pretty soon we'll be hearing that the threat of "economic harm to US interests" is a threat to our "homeland security". Anyone who takes steps to defend himself against possible actions from our Homeland Security thugs will also be considered a threat to homeland security.

    What I wonder is who is going to protect us from the DHS? The DHS poses a direct and immediate threat to all of our liberty, freedom, and even lives. Terrorists pose almost no threat to anything really.
     
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    Once you (editorial "you") make the policy that uncontrolled illegal immigration is acceptable public policy a whole host of follow on issues arise. In a welfare state services will become available to immigrants, wages in affected areas will drop, public health will suffer depending upon the nature of diseases being imported into the host country. If the illegal immigrant community stays together and fights assimilation ghettos will form in which the inhabitants will reluctant to make use of law enforcement for fear of being snagged and deported. When that occurs organized crime will make an appearance. What better pool of victims than a groups afraid to call LE.

    So now you've got conduits for all kinds of crime including drugs, gun running, sex slavery, child abuse, robbery, assault, and murder among other offenses. Once the conduit is in place just any kind of crime can be abetted. Terror organizations can and will make use of the conduit and that is where the federales are worried.

    I say, "What took you so long?" Gov't has worked hard to create the problem and now the consequences of its utter stupidity is now evident to anyone. Don't you think it interesting we are now worried about gangs right about the time the federales 'fess up about the danger of a nuclear hit on the US? You don't 'spose the reports of alliances between CA gangs and Al Qaeda have anything to do with the sudden interest in gangs? Bush's administration has not been shy about blowing the whistle on a terror threat just to immunize itself against the inevitable fingerpointing after a hit.

    I think pretty soon we will see the federales get breathless about the deterioration in our public health because of the reintroduction of diseases long since suppressed in the US.
     
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    As Waitone said, gangs and terrorist are intertwined and figure to be more so.
     
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    Or just wait for the Atzlanders to figure out that theycan hook up with the muslim and make money out of it. We need to close the borders.
     
  20. LawDog

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    Oh, bloody hell.

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    MS13/Mara Salvatruchas are based in Central America, as are the Surenos and the 18th streeters.

    So, just exactly who do y'all think should have jurisdiction over criminal acts based and planned in foreign countries? Podunk PD?

    The Latin Kings and the Mexican Mafia operate in multiple states: Texas, California, Illinois, etc. Again, criminal enterprises operating across multiple state lines are the jurisdiction of the Feds.

    Border Brothers and Brown Pride not only operate in multiple states, but they also have the habit of jumping back and forth across the border at will.

    I don't get it. I've been reading about the border problems for months now on THR. People venting their spleens over the Minutemen ad infinitum. Now, the Feds are doing something about foreign criminals, and the first thing out of anyone's mouth is: OHMYGAWDPOLICESTATE!

    The Federal Government is finally performing duties which are not only clearly within its jurisdiction, but can be argued are Constitutionally mandated, and all I can see are spleens exploding.

    Make up your sodding minds. Either you want the FedGov to start doing something about criminals sneaking over the border, or you don't, but pick one and stick with it.

    LawDog
     
  21. rick_reno

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    DHS has to do something - and this is better than nothing. They can bust every gang banger in the country and I'll stand on the sidelines and applaud. These vermin have got to go.
     
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    +1 for what Lawdog said.
     
  23. Sindawe

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    LawDog: Some folks are not happy unless they are complaining. Me? I think its about darn time for this kind of thing to be happening, what took so frelling long?

    I also think it bears close watching to avoid mission creep. Governments are like two year olds. You can't take your eye off of 'em for a second, else they'll burn the house down.
     
  24. CTRL-ALT-DEL

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    That was my point to posting this article. Hey, I am glad government is starting to do something. Going after criminal illegals is good, they just need to go after all illegals IMO, once you cross that border you are a criminal. They dont need to wait until a violent crime is committed. I am concerned about this, like the quote above. Who defines gangs? Is it the same people that define Illegal immigration?
     
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    Function creep.

    Next, it will be running red lights that is a homeland security threat.
     
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