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Gangs w/full-auto Glocks--for real or urban legend?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by benEzra, Apr 26, 2005.

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  1. benEzra

    benEzra Moderator Emeritus

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    I call shennanigans on that.
     
  3. DontBurnMyFlag

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    haha for a second I thought you meant that gangs got their hands on some G18 select fire glocks. Those are rare and expensive.

    Even if the gangs convert their weapons, they are still stuck with 10-17rd magazines. No California store sells those 33rd glock factory mags, and I doubt the street is full of them. I doubt that alot of gangs are doing this. Im sure a few are, but why would they want to share their "trade secret" with rival gangs. Sad thing is, while their drivebys will still suck with accuracy, they now have a more concealable weapon than the mac10/11 and will probably hit more bystanders. :banghead:
     
  4. Wingshooter

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    At first I thought it might just be a filed down sear (possible in a glock? dunno) but the video makes it appear to be controllable. I notice they didn't site any sources for the gangs with full auto glocks.

    I've seen several pistols that were capable of this with a conversion. The beretta, the 1911, and probably several others. Would be fun to shoot.

    Actually, wasn't there an episode of mail call that highlighted the full auto glock? It wasn't a conversion, but was factory. Let me poke around to see if I can find it. Unless someone knows off the top of their head the episode. I'm sure someone does.

    I'll be back.
     
  5. VARifleman

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    Did you all notice that they said this:

    I sense that this kind of attitude could be used against those of us who use Glocks for carry. :eek:
     
  6. Wingshooter

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    Found it, the Glock 18. Don't know if that's what he's shooting in the video or not...but I suspect it is.

    http://www.glock.com/g18.htm
     
  7. Chawbaccer

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    Thats not the way the homeboys hold their Glocks........................

    Lots (most?) of Semi-autos can be converted to full auto, but since the gun wasn't designed to be full auto it will get the snot beat out of them by firing in a full auto mode.
     
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    If I understand correctly, a conventional Glock is basically a "double-action only"....that is, you cock the pistol by squeezing the trigger. Part of the Glock "four safeties" deal. Full auto would be impossible. On 1911's, the slide cocks the hammer and they can go full auto.

    Full auto sounds cool in a pistol, but it isn't. Takes a lot of control to hold the muzzle down. I suspect it'd be extremely difficult with conventional grips. Another myth that the unknowing suck onto and expound without knowing the facts.

    Just saw a thing on FOX news about how vulnerable chemical plants are. The reporter says "yeah, man, they (chemical companies) aren't doing anything..."

    I work for a chemical company. Go ahead and try to get into one of our plants. Sound and motion detectors, closed circuit IR cameras, razor wire, and passcard entry plus photo ID.
     
  9. Wingshooter

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    Ok, just watched the video again. That gun has an external hammer. You can see it clearly 9 seconds into the video. I'm sure no gang banger can do THAT conversion in less than 15 seconds!

    edited to add: So if it has an external hammer, what is it? It's not a Glock 18.
     
  10. svtruth

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    FA Glocks

    Probably a good thing the DEA doesn't carry them.
     
  11. redneck2

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    Yeah, but all bad guns are Glocks. They're black, evil, and have a name that's easy to pronounce and remember, and sounds evil.

    How many of the sheeple know what a 1911 is? Besides, a 1911 or Beretta doesn't sound nearly as evil as Glock.
     
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    I heard somewhere (on here maybe) that the converted glocks are easy to spot because they'll have a dremmelled out hole in the side of the frame and that they were designed well enough that you can't modify them without a degree of obviousness...

    -Colin
     
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    That's not a hammer on the back of the slide in that video, it is a replacement back plate.
     
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    Damn, are people that ignorant of FA weapons?

    There are quite a few different ways to convert a Glock to fire full-auto.

    Redneck2, you show your ignorance when you state that is impossible for a Glock to be impossible. Then again you show it when you say it would be "extremely difficult" to control. Full-auto glocks are easy to control with a LITTLE practice. They are easy to use if you take the time to train. Who is the one perpetuating myths now? If you haven't fired a Glock in full-auto, shut your trap about how "difficult" it is to control.

    As for a Glock 18, they come from the factory with a selector switch on the slide. You can also buy drop in kits to make them full-auto for a few hundred bucks if you are a PD or military buyer.

    Some of the conversions have the selector on the back of the slide, while others have them on the side. And you aren't just limited to Glock 17 conversions to an 18... you can convert ANY glock pistol to fire full-auto with the conversion pieces. I have personally fired a Glock 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 26, and 34 converted to full-auto. The 20, 21, and 22 are much more difficult to master, but it could be done. The 9mm's were pretty controllable with a little practice.

    If I could, I would carry a FA Glock 19 as my carry piece. I can easily get 3-5 round bursts with a single trigger pull (did it in the first two mags of practice), and I have the option of using it semi too.

    Anyways, please please please don't spout crap when you obviously don't know what you're talking about.

    Oh, and the Glock 18 holds up to full-auto fire just fine.

    And it isn't a Hammer on that Glock, that is the selector switch.

    Semper Fidelis!
     
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    Owen, you're right. Whatever is on the back of that slide isn't a hammer. I had to enlarge the video and watch it slowly several times, but it is attached to the slide. Wouldn't a selector switch be on the frame somewhere?

    USMC_2674, yes we are ignorant to some aspects of the full auto world. That's why we're discussing it, not necessarily spouting crap. I personally want to learn more and I would be stupid not to ask.
     
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    I don't think the conversions the police bulletin is talking about are the expensive, registered conversion peices though... I think they mean "cut here, make this peice" ghetto-fied conversions that are probably dangerous and uncontrollable - not to mention illegal.

    -Colin
     
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    Forgot to add: Regardless of what makes it full auto, could that conversion be done by a gang banger in 15 seconds for $10.00 as the article states? I think that is the original crux of the post.
     
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    I first read this memo in 1995 when I was new to law enforcement. It is institutionalized paranoia, codified to strengthen budget proposals from then until the end of fiscal years entirely.

    Kansas? "Yo, yo, Corndog. Whaz dat wit dat gat? It'z gotz da switch!" :D

    redneck, full auto Glocks take a little training, but by no means "impossible." Some THR members have experience with converted G18s being used against them. Maybe they can share their experience as to it's effectiveness. :eek:

    BTW, I'm ignorant of just about everything, just ask any woman at random! :D :evil:
     
  19. Wingshooter

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    You have a point cidirkona, but isn't this akin to misinformation on their part if they are describing one thing and showing another?

    When I was a kid I had a friend file down the sear on his .22 Marlin model 60. Sure it was full auto-ish, but unreliable at best. You never knew when it was going to fire and when it would stop. Not exactly something I would throw in my waistband and carry around with me.
     
  20. USMC_2674

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    Wingmaster,

    My reply really wasn't meant to be pointed at you necessarily.

    It was mostly for the one making claims of something he obviously doesn't have a clue about, Redneck2.

    The Glock 18, and all the conversion devices that I am aware of all alter the Glock to fire full-auto in the slide. Most of them do so by altering the backplate such as on the one in the video. I have never seen one that does so by altering the frame...

    Anyways, good luck.
     
  21. USMC_2674

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    Oh and here is just one of the companies that make the selector's to drop into any glock.

    www.fss-g.com

    OH, and THAT video came off the above site. :)
     
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    My, but aren't we travelling the High Road?!? :rolleyes:
     
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    I doubt that the one in the video is a gangbanger special glock. I have seen that video before but it was called glock 18 video. I beleive at that time the web site said somthing about the guy shooting was either GSSF or Glock shooting team. but I may be wrong since it was a few years ago that I saw it. I would like to see gangbanger conversion but I am sure the police wouldnt let anyone near it for fears of people converting a Glock to full auto in a few seconds, quick and easy, and with cheap common parts.
     
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    <Giggles uncontrollably at the delightful thought of a FA Glock 20> :D

    Interesting... the site informs the viewer that their product is for LEOs and such-and-such only. And then this: "Work to repeal the applicable portion of Public Law 99- 308 or seek something that is transferable." :)

    We're working on it...
     
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    1) The Glock in the video is not a Glock 18.

    2)It is a Glock that has had a Phoenix Firearms, Inc "Fire Selector System" installed on it. (This is the company that USMC_2674 posted a link to.)

    3)Evidently the Kansas Peace Officers Association ganked the file directly from the Phoenix Firearms website. They didn't even have the common courtesy to give a credit as to where they took the video from, which leads me to wonder if...

    4)The Kansas Peace Officers Association have broken Intellectual Property law in their attempt to whip up hysterical paranoia.
     
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