Gangs w/full-auto Glocks--for real or urban legend?

[Spreadfire Arms]

USMC is right in his statement. the $275 "registered post sample" version probably costs about $10 to make. it replaces the backplate of a semi Glock pistol and it has a selector switch to turn it into a select fire machine pistol.

it works. i know because i have one on a Glock 22 w/ 29 round Scherer mags. the guys who come to the Austin gun show can see it at my table, it's there every month.

i also have a Glock 18 9mm. both are controllable when fired w/ the shoulder stock. fired free-handed, its fun, but i wouldn't call it accurate past 7-10 yards.

as far as it being real, yes it is. however it is not civilian legal as it is a post-86 machine gun sear.

mine was made by James A. Willis, Bullseye Gun Club, Utah.

 

[VARifleman]

1) The Glock in the video is not a Glock 18.

2)It is a Glock that has had a Phoenix Firearms, Inc "Fire Selector System" installed on it. (This is the company that USMC_2674 posted a link to.)

3)Evidently the Kansas Peace Officers Association ganked the file directly from the Phoenix Firearms website. They didn't even have the common courtesy to give a credit as to where they took the video from, which leads me to wonder if...

4)The Kansas Peace Officers Association have broken Intellectual Property law in their attempt to whip up hysterical paranoia.

Thus why I have sent a nice little email to Pheonix Firearms about just that...

Cops are NOT above the law.

 

[imas]

ok you have to think about it this way

you want to out do your friends in terms of firepower and also you want to out do whoever you're shooting at

you go see the matrix and say hmm I have a glock i wonder if i can shoot it like morpheus

so you buy a conversion of the internet then buy some 30 rounders off the internet or just drive to the next state

I mean what the hell. You live in california and acquired your glock illegally and carry it illegally anyway. Why not make it better?

or imagine your self as some lowtime punk weapons dealer. a full auto glock would bring you some serious dough

 

[geekWithA.45]

Dimly Recalled From the 90's....

Was the hysteria of gangs running amok on the street with semi's "easily converted" to Full auto.

Movies and TVs portrayed police evidence rooms bulging to overstuffed with machineguns made from pedestrian arms that had been worked with a file for a few seconds.

Meanwhile, back in reality, audits of actual evidence rooms revealed that a tiny fraction of a percent of confiscated guns had been illegally converted.

I've also noted that the page has now been taken down.

 

[El Tejon]

geek, the page was taken down because the budget process for the next fiscal year is over. It will be back up when the po-po need to scare more money out of the committee.

THR caught the po-po red handed. Something to hide, officer?

 

[Spreadfire Arms]

if you want to take a look at some more glock 18 videos you can look on my website:

http://www.spreadfirearms.com/photos.html

Scroll down to:
MOVIE CLIPS (MPEG's and AVI's)

http://www.spreadfirearms.com/DamianGlock18MagDump.avi

or

http://www.spreadfirearms.com/AaronGlock18MagDump.avi

if you prefer direct links.

 

[BluesBear]

Tonight's episode of The Tonight Show with Jay Leno featured a segment with that untalented buffoon Tom Greene at Knob Creek. It showed several clips of him performing a 33 round full auto mag-dump with a Glock 18.

The first time he was shooting very high. By the last time he was holding it pretty steady considering he was facing (mugging for) the camera while the gun was pointed 180º downrange.

If a stooge like him can control one, then almost anybody could.

 

[Blackburn]

Tom Greene often shoots a few Class III firearms which belong to his friends, which is why he went quite out of his way from where he was going in the state to make it to Knob Creek.

 

[BluesBear]

Knob Creek ain't all that far from Louisville. I grew up in Highview and Okolona so I was just about in the middle. Depending on traffic I could actually get to KC quicker than I could get to downtown. When he was at KFC-HQ he was only about an hour away from KC.



Still it was good to see another positive slant on shooting.
It seems that every year there is another "different perspective" report about the Knob Creek shoot. I can't recall ever reading one that wasn't positive.
From 1977 to 1998 I never missed a shoot. That's one thing I really miss since I moved out here. I'll make it back for at least one more some day.

 

[ctdonath]

Been a while, and email program failures have buried my copy, but I have received a variant of the "gang-bangers with full-auto Glocks" email from appropriate sources. While there are a variety of ways of making Glocks FA, there is apparently one which is quite simple with a Dremmel. IIRC, it involved grinding out part of the frame, was slam-fire risky, and had reliability problems - easy to check for when known. Simple, cheap, stupid - comparable to the shoelace trick with an AK.

Yes, there is a gang-level cheap stupid FA conversion trick for Glocks. Cops are aware.
Yes, there are proper FA conversions which likely cost the manufacturer about $10 to make, sell for ~$300, are easy to install, and require practically unobtainable paperwork to avoid huge fines & jail time.

 

[dfaugh]

This may sound stupid

But I think I'd rather be fired upon by one these "spray an pray" weapons, in the hands of some gang-banger, than by someone with a single shot, that knows what they're doing! The Sheeple, and even the cops seem to think that these are more dangerous (and they probably are, but maybe not to intended target!)...Aimed fire is what you wanna watch out for.....

 

[BluesBear]

Having watched, with much amusement, several Thug wannabes at the range I am not really worried about being hit if they were to throw down on me.
Any hit would be purely accidental.
Of course I am aware that accidental bullet wounds hurt just as much as intentional ones do.

I think the best strategy when you encounter a gang-banger with a G18 would be to duck for cover, wait two seconds and pop him during the magazine change.