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GATOFEO #1 Lube By Tha Half Pound An Pound

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Manyirons, Jul 28, 2006.

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  1. Manyirons

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    Hi!

    Tha MANN's thinkin on offerin tha lube in larger sizes fer savin people money, anybody interested afor he makes up his mind?

    Thinkin 8oz fer 20, Lb fer 35.

    Ifin yer shootin a lot er wanta spread some aroun yer buds, itsa gooder deal.
     
  2. gmatov

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    MI,

    I think you are asking too much, ie, rippin' off.

    20 bucks per 1/2 pound of waste grease? Or 2.50 a pound parrafin and the waste grease and a little olive oil to make a 1/2 pound of the same as you are?

    Hey, commercialism is THE thing, today. You can get top buck for something, go for it.

    Here, you should probably give a 90 % discount to forum members. Yeah, 2 bucks a 1/2 pound wouuld save a few the difference between yours and 7 buck Bore Butter, at some 7 ounce tube size.

    Go screw all them idjits that don't come to sites like this.

    Cheers,

    George
     
  3. Duncaninfrance

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    Costs!

    If you were only selling the raw material cost plus a profit markup then fine BUT you would not stay in business for more that 2 minutes George!

    On top of the material costs you have to add:-
    Cost of financing / stock retention, bank costs & depreciation, wages, insurance, packing, publicity, manufacturing time and resorces ( heat, cleaning, pans ) location costs, carriage, returns, order processing....................Need I say more?
    Just work out how much you earned per hour when you were working then see how long it takes to make a pound of tallow. You might just be surprised my friend :cool:
    Duncan
     
  4. Third_Rail

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    To all those who are actually interested in making Gatofeo's lubricant, but not in making a big mess, it is a good purchase. The mixing has already been done, the materials are proper, etc.


    Just for what it's worth, go look up how much beeswax costs nowadays. Now look up actual lamb or mutton tallow, not just "tallow". Beef tallow will work, sure, but it'll go rancid and smell awful in short order.

    As to why we charge that, well, time + raw materials + a small profit. That's how business works, George. If everyone should sell things for less than what the raw materials cost, why would anyone have a business?

    George, we respect ourselves, therefore our time is worth money. I'm sorry to hear that if you were selling your time, you would sell it so cheaply and expect others to do likewise.
     
  5. Manyirons

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    Ya some kinda commie on welfare thinkin tha world owes ya there georgie? Add to tha list product liability!

    Like it er not, theys a fixed cost per hour, 24 hours a day, EVER day, 365 to tha year. Jus ta keep tha doors open an that MANN workin.

    Now go buy yerself some other lube by tha stick, add er up! Oh, thats right! Theys sposed ta GIVE it to ya!
     
  6. gmatov

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    Just lost the first half of my reply. What key I hit, I don't know.

    You know, if der Hauptmann were to give a price to chamber a barrell, I doubt very seriously he would ask the same hourly rate you seem to be asking for nuking some fats.

    I gotta fault you for being a little greedy, you tell us we COULD use Gatefeo's recipe, but, for JUST 10 times as much, WE WILL MAKE IT FOR YOU.
    That goes against the grain of a forum. We tend to tell each other how to SAVE money, and, I think, it is why many forums prohibit retailers and solicitors from posting.

    You 2 kids have no concept of business. You think if you just keep pounding you will make sales. What does Jule say, anything over a quarter is yours? When do you make the sale of the century, drop the price to buy 1 get 7 free. Or a buck per whatever you are packing it in. Used sour cream containers, or did you actually go and buy blank containers?
    Lard is free, if you eat bacon, beef fat is free if you ever eat a steak or a roast, lamb fat is free if you ever eat lamb.. Why ain't you babbling about chicken fat? You can get lots of that, in today's heart healthy diet.
    Fat is fat, and, as I said, Fadala, the God of BP, says NO grease wil l help with BP residue.

    You are selling a nostrum for which there is no disease. Shame on yunz. Go get a job, or ask the old man to teach you a little bit, not to banish you from the shop, because you APPEAR to be too dumb to DO the work.

    I would hesitate to buy anything you 2 push. I don't think either of you have any concept of what you are pushing.

    Dumb? I wouldn't say that, although you have called me that, or archaic, or whatever. Hey, I AM a litle older than you puppies. Just MIGHT be a little smarter than you puppies.

    You haven't shown too much brilliance, to date, just, "Hey, Buy this, we guarantee it is the BEST. We don't know what it is or what it does but we DO know it is the BEST.!!!"Jule MUST be embarrased at your promotion.

    I have to go to YOUR forum and see what HE says in his own defense.

    You know, if you made lube in 1/2 pounds and asked 5 bucks, you would wipe Bore butter off the map. It's 7 bucks, I think, for 6 ounces. AND, you gotta know they have WAY lower raw material cost.

    Cheers,

    George
     
  7. Duncaninfrance

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    Just wondering what you are going to mix all your bu****it with to make a lube George? Older does not always mean smarter and you obviously don't seem to understand business costings.
    You want it cheap - you make it or get the Chinese to make it :evil:

    I make my own from the original recipe in the sticky but I have to make it in my workshop, not in the house! As for Bore Butter - that stuff is worse than being down wind of a skunk!

    Duncan
     
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  8. Manyirons

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    Georgie, ya got me confused with tha MANN. AINT MINE, i's jus tha messenger an they's somethin else i AINT NEVER done afor, put someone on tha ignore list cause yer too ignorant ta waste time on. Old dont mean smart an ya jus proved that.
     
  9. pohill

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    Seldom do I find myself on George's side - we've had our share of forum battles - but one thing George is not, and that's dumb. I gotta admit that I have no idea whatever the heck it is Manyirons is selling, but George is a consumer, and maybe you should listen to ALL consumers.

    Now, you can get pissed at me for what I'm going to say, as a consumer, or you can heed what people say as feedback for your business - makes no nevermind to me. I read forums for info, not sales pitches or info-mercials written in Ebonics or some Mark Twain/Tom Sawyer dialect, which gets real annoying, real quick. I'm also kinda tired of hearing about tha Mann...who is tha Mann? When you come to a forum, selling something that forum readers might be interested in, it would help if you had some credentials. What exactly do you guys sell, what does tha Mann sell, and what makes what you sell worth buying? Don't tell me to visit your site - I don't want to, based on what I've read here. If what you sell is good, at a good price, it'll find US, instead of us seeking it out. Take a look at your sales numbers - are they good? Could they be better if you listen to, and stop insulting, consumers? Most likely, if it's a good product. As far as lubes - I use Bore Butter as an internal lube, and Crisco over the chambers - works great. And I use Wayne's excellent FREE recipe for lube pills (beeswax, etc). Make something better, sell it cheaper, and I'll buy it.
     
  10. Manyirons

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    POHILL, i'd rather hear you than someone thinkin they got somethin comin fer nothin.

    I'm 52, hadda cleft palette all my life bad repair an aint never had no one outside tha MANN waste time on teachin me nothin. AN ya can go to his site and see!

    An fer that guy i cant see anymore

    http://www.bigironbarrels.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=592#592
     
  11. pohill

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    Fair enough, I'll check it out. At least you didn't get pissed at me. But don't rule out what George has to say - you're up against Cabelas, Midway, DGW, Track of the Wolf - people that listen to everyone and dismiss no one, which is a good rule of retail. Like I said, make a good product, one that I can use, treat everyone with some respect, and you'll do well. George is feedback, plain and simple. I like to see Americans do well, and you're in a selling area that I'm interested in, but you gotta draw me in. Once in, I'm loyal, but it's not a blind loyalty - you, as a seller, have to earn loyalty. Sounds goofy, but it's true. I would listen to what George has to say, and reply, "Thanks for your feedback. It's appreciated." I might then stick needles in a George Voodoo doll (just kidding, George), but I wouldn't tell anyone.
     
  12. Manyirons

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    Pohill, i AINT gonna listen ta geoge cause hes proven beyond doubt in this case an others he aint gotta clue.

    Midway and others bein distributors dont MAKE nothin, they jus handle it far as i know.

    An at some point i understand tha MANN might have SOME of these companies distributin fer him.

    Takes time though!
     
  13. pohill

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    You gotta listen to what George has to say if you're going to make it work. George does have a clue - not a clue that I always agree with, but he is not a dumb guy, and he speaks his mind, which, again, is good feedback. He told you to sell 1/2 pound of lube for $5 and wipe Bore Butter off the map - he might be right. You sell good lube cheap, you'll sell alot of it, and you'll make money. Simple. But, piss George off, or anyone, and he'll tell 2 people, who will tell 2 people, who will tell 2 people, etc. Goes both ways - sell me a good product, and I'll tell 2 people, etc. Midway, Cabellas, etc do not make the products, they import and sell, and they can sell your products, too. And they will, if they're good products. Retail/selling is all about money, not who is right or wrong in their opinions. If you insult George for speaking his mind, you insult all consumers who will simply go someplace else.
    Also, George was right about helping each other out on this forum. Give some free lube samples to forum members and they'll spread the word if it's good, or tell you what's wrong if it's bad. Again, this is not my invention - it's business. I'm on the East coast - give me a sample, I'll test it, and if it's good, I'll spread the world all over the East (no, I'm not looking for free stuff).
    I'll bring some to the Kittery Trading Post in Maine and see what they have to say. Just remember, George might be your best friend as you start your business - he will tell you what you're doing wrong, and he is probably right.
     
  14. Third_Rail

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    Again, guys, there's a problem with selling the lubricant that cheap. Look up how much beeswax and mutton or lamb (not beef) tallow cost. Sure, we could sell it for $1.00 more than that a pound, but then our time wouldn't be compensated, and we wouldn't be able to stay in business.


    I do appreciate the feedback, truly, but I also would like you to put yourself in our shoes - is your time worth nothing? Do you work just so others can have inexpensive products, regardless of your cost?

    Again, please don't just believe me; go look how much beeswax and lamb or mutton tallow cost per pound. We're not just making a price up from nowhere. :)
     
  15. pohill

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    Put yourself in the shoes of the consumer - do we want to pay more so you guys can make a living? We have expenses, too. If beeswax is too expensive, then find a substitute, or find a product you can sell that no one else sells. If Crisco works for me, I'll keep using it instead of spending more on something that might or might not be as good. Bore Butter is a ripoff by the tube, but it's a good internal lube, so I use it (sparingly). If you sell good lube at a cheaper price, you'll sell lots of lube and make money that way (quantity). Find ways to make it cheaper - no one expects you to take a loss, but we don't want to subsidize you either (this ain't England or France). This is a capitalistic society - supply and demand and all that. Give us what we need, what we want, what we can afford. You might lose money at first, but it'll pay off later.
     
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    Thanks for your feedback. :)
     
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    Not everyone in this world wants the cheapest. Most want the best for the least and those that always buy the cheapest get what they pay for - rubbish.
    If people only bought the cheapest products there would be no Jaguars, Bentleys, BMWs, Canon Cameras, Vintage Port, Champagne, Chateau La Tour, Purdey, Holland & Holland, Colt, Winchester...............................etc.,

    I agree that you should listen to everyone with an opinion BUT you need to add filters after a while!

    " Thank you for your input sir, your comments have been noted for the future"
    Is a phrase that I would employ in certain cases` :cool:

    Duncan
     
  18. Third_Rail

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    But Duncan, some people simply don't believe that we use the best materials. Their loss.
     
  19. Manyirons

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    Make er CHEAP! HUH! THA MANN would kick my butt fer sayin somethin like that!

    Itsa walmart world boys&girls!

    QUALITY is tha onlyist thing BIGIRON sells and thats that!
     
  20. Manyirons

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    An mebbe THIRD RAIL'll go through this forum an see how many freebies tha MANNs given away an post links! Includin CASH fer those was helpful!
     
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    " Thank you for your input sir, your comments have been noted for the future"
    Exactly what I was talking about. Definitely more professional than telling someone they're dumb, stupid, nasty, etc.
    And, for the record, cheap and inexpensive are not necessarily the same.
     
  22. Manyirons

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    Sorry but when SOMEONES comments start out bein offensive i get my back up.

    Take a REAL good look at what started this, accusin, sayin my BOSS isa thief, etc.

    Aint so, an i AINT ashamed of defendin him.

    An he AINT a customer till hes buyin, in cartalk theyed call him a jack or a tirekicker.

    Aint no END ta FREE once ya start, peoples like locusts that way, so tha BOSS gets REAL selctive who he gives to.

    Cause as he says, aint nobody at safeway givin a discount cause wes givin things away.

    Ya got LOTS of reference for GATOFEO lube as a sticky thing top of this forum.

    Sos, fars i's concerned, thanks fer tha comments, but until yas apologize, ya can pound sand.
     
  23. Old Fuff

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    The Old Fuff must admit that he's interested. I have mixed my own lube, and don't particularly enjoy doing it. :rolleyes:

    Store-bought lube is an easy alternative, but the products often leave something to be desired.

    Crisco over the balls works (somewhat) at the range, but it isn't long before the whole revolver starts getting messy to handle.

    If the price includes handling @ shipping that should be considered.

    From my perspective, the real issue is, does the stuff make for better accuracy, and does the cylinder keep turning without special attention, longer? If it does then perhaps the extra cost of the lube (or other components) is worth it. Some folks shoot just for the fun of shooting. I do the same, but a better target/group makes it more interesting.

    And I have noticed that Manyirons and Third Rail seem to be working toward products or services that will enhance accuracy.

    Some are satisfied with a 6-inch (or larger) group out of a cap & ball revolver at 15 to 25 yards... :(

    I'm not. :D
     
  24. Third_Rail

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    My C&B revolver will keep about 50% of the shots on a clay at 25 yards. I'm happy, since I'm a terrible shot; I'll see what it can do if Jule works it over...

    But yes, most of our services and products are for accuracy. If you want noise, that's fine for you. I very much like accurate firearms.
     
  25. Manyirons

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    Fluff, shippin is included. Thanks fer tha question! Yup, usual fer it take work longer AN it aint messy.
     
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