GEN 4 Glock pic.

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I sometimes don't get the choices that companies make. You're going to put out a new generation of guns to address the inroads that other makers *cough*S&W*cough* are making into the market. Sure, you want to offer the newfangled thing that they do (interchangable backstraps), but why not address the common complaints that everyone has at the same time, if it is just about as easy to do? And, btw, it is just about as easy to do.

What are the common complaints about Glocks?

1. They're ugly.

OK. There's no fixing this. Besides, like the A10, Glock has turned ugly into a trademark. So, forget about it.

2. The grip angle / Glock Hump is ergonomically poor.

So, we're already tinkering with the backstrap, but it looks like we're just offering the same hump in each one, with varying degrees of overall grip size. How about we offer one without that stupid hump? Hey, maybe now some enterprising third party can do what Glock refuses to do.

3. We hate the finger ridges.

So, we're offering interchangable backstraps, but we can't make one for the front? Clearly we're no Magpul.

Full disclosure: I own a G20. I like it. I even don't mind the finger ridges. But the Hump is lame.

Mike
 
1. They're purposeful.

2. Only a small percentage of American Glock shooters complain about the grip angle. The rest of the world loves the Luger grip angle.

3. You hate the finger grooves. Most people like them or don't care.
 
1. They're purposeful.
No argument.
2. Only a small percentage of American Glock shooters complain about the grip angle. The rest of the world loves the Luger grip angle.
I don't think a "small percentage" of American Glock shooters complain about the grip angle- or, perhaps, you're correct, since many people who did NOT buy Glocks chose other guns because of the hump. I think a significant number of American gun owners, some of them Glock owners, dislike the hump, and some have taken extraordinary steps to eliminate it. This is not to say that some people don't like or even prefer the Glock's ergonomics, or that it is impossible to shoot well, or anything silly like that. It is just a statement of fact that a significant number of people in the market for handguns complain about the hump.

My PD (about 2k officers) recently switched guns. We went with the M&P, because it fit more people's hands, among other reasons (but ergonomics were high on the survey's results). Specific comments lead the ordies to conclude that the grip angle and, specifically, the hump, were less than ideal. Novice officers had problems with natural POA, and accuracy and speed of shooting with experienced officers (as in, they had some trigger time with each of the various platforms being considered) were better overall with the M&P.

They selected the M&P despite the Glock being a better financial deal and the frontrunner going into the selection. Obviously, the ergonomic issues were just one part of the decision, and the Gen3 Glock is different from the gen4 Glock in that regard, but it strikes me that if Glock is concerned about eroding marketshare with American LE agencies, and it should be, it ought be listening to these concerns. It is one thing to question whether or not they should do a revision to address any given concern, but it is another to do a revision and, seemingly, fail to address one of the most common complaints.

3. You hate the finger grooves. Most people like them or don't care.
No, I actually don't mind the finger grooves. many people do, though. It makes sense that while you're in there tinkering with the grip, you may want to maximize your marketshare by putting in a provision for switchable front straps, too.

Mike
 
Wow glock is turning out to be the handgun equivelant to WRA co.


Make one or two products for decades with no innovation. Continue to do so as the competition offers much more technological innovation at less cost.

Go out of buisness and have your name slapped on products made by a former competetor in japan
 
Make one or two products for decades with no innovation. Continue to do so as the competition offers much more technological innovation at less cost.
What "technological innovation" would that be? Glock makes Glock's, and they sell everyone they make and still are backlogged. You are aware that Colt has made the M1873 Single action army since 1873 to this day and the M1911 since 1911. Why are you not whining about them not being"innovative"?
 
i don't think the Glock Gen 4's will have the intended effect of slowing down the M&P's momentum in the LE market.

the grip changes are not as major as anyone was hoping for. the small "backstrap" is not removable, but is simply a SF size (just 3mm smaller), and the other backstraps simply fit over it.

the medium backstrap is the standard glock grip, and the large backstrap is bigger (which no one wants).

not to mention, you could serve dinner on that humungous mag release! that thing is just screaming "inadvertent mag drop!"
 
no kidding, i wonder how they can charge the same price with more work and parts in the gun. must be the fact that glocks cost almost nothing to produce. the barrel is most of the production cost.
 
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I don't care what people say about Glocks looking "ugly" lol I think they are beautiful. It has a nice "tacticool" look to it.

Also- I'll add- that I really do like the grip angle glocks offer. The hump on the grip is actually what made me prefer it over the Springfield XD40 sc. It's like it was molded for my hands by God himself!
 
still looks like the AK of handguns.

(only shot a g17 so far ... and i found it way to easy to be enjoyable ...
but in case if shtf ... i don´t plan on enjoying it ... )
 
... and it is a photoshopped image ... like that cosmopolitan cover, ... and those models
look sweaty too, when the go to the fitness range :)
 
I'm not a fan. The new grip w/ interchangeable backstrap is not only ugly, but doesn't even come close to fixing what *some* people hated about the grip in the first place, which is the hump. I'd definitely take a Gen 3 over a Gen 4 after seeing this.

The only thing about the Gen 4 that interests me is the new dual-spring guide rod assembly. Can you install these in Gen 3 Glocks by any chance?
 
Glock haters swarm such threads. Jingonistic as ever. SW is going to plow Glock under. Well here's hoping an American gun company will be good enough to do so.

2. Only a small percentage of American Glock shooters complain about the grip angle. The rest of the world loves the Luger grip angle.

Yep!


I don't think a "small percentage" of American Glock shooters complain about the grip angle- or, perhaps, you're correct, since many people who did NOT buy Glocks chose other guns because of the hump. I think a significant number of American gun owners, some of them Glock owners, dislike the hump, and some have taken extraordinary steps to eliminate it. This is not to say that some people don't like or even prefer the Glock's ergonomics, or that it is impossible to shoot well, or anything silly like that. It is just a statement of fact that a significant number of people in the market for handguns complain about the hump.

My PD (about 2k officers) recently switched guns. We went with the M&P, because it fit more people's hands, among other reasons (but ergonomics were high on the survey's results). Specific comments lead the ordies to conclude that the grip angle and, specifically, the hump, were less than ideal. Novice officers had problems with natural POA, and accuracy and speed of shooting with experienced officers (as in, they had some trigger time with each of the various platforms being considered) were better overall with the M&P.

They selected the M&P despite the Glock being a better financial deal and the frontrunner going into the selection. Obviously, the ergonomic issues were just one part of the decision, and the Gen3 Glock is different from the gen4 Glock in that regard, but it strikes me that if Glock is concerned about eroding marketshare with American LE agencies, and it should be, it ought be listening to these concerns. It is one thing to question whether or not they should do a revision to address any given concern, but it is another to do a revision and, seemingly, fail to address one of the most common

Nope!

And the Florida Highway Patrol is selecting the Glock 37 and 39 after tests with the SW M&P and the main reason was that in a 38-2 vote the testers prefered the grip of the Glock over the M&P. The M&P also had some issues according to some whispers. The other gun tested was the Glock 21 SF and it go the 2 descenting votes.

Glock haters rejoice!!! A new king in town.
 
new king? not sure 'bout that. i love my glock 19 rtf2, but i don't think the gen4 is going to slow down the m&p's momentum in the LE market.

a lot of folks were expecting a lot more drastic change to the grip (like eliminating the hump), or making it's overall thickness smaller, but glock didn't deliver on that.


instead they release a SF frame version, which is only 3mm smaller and has a funny feel to that makes it hard to get a high grip on. (i had a g21sf, so i speak from experience).

doesn't bother me though.

i do have m&p's as well, and to be honest i like my g19 rtf2 better (even though i have pretty small hands). the m&p's are more difficult to get a high grip on for me (where the web of your hand is pushed firmly up). this is the kind of grip that i like and the glock "hump" actually aids in this. (and the finger grooves don't bother me either)

....but there is no doubt that the m&p's fit most people's hands better (especially smaller hands), plus have equal reliability and accuracy as glocks. (not to mention made by an american company with MUCH more responsive customer service).

customer service counts for a lot with LE agencies. i've talked with local cops from 2 different dpt's that mentioned glock's indifference to any issues they were having, and how it was often a hassle to get glock to admit there was an issue with one of their guns and take care of it. (it seems standard glock policy to blame the ammo, not the gun).

nope, don't see the gen 4 glock slowing down the m&p LE sales at all.

just my take on the matter, my friends :)






p.s.--as far as FHP and maybe a couple other agencies adopting the GAP: this is no more than glock giving these away for almost free in an attempt to save this round from oblivion. same marketing technique they used over 20 years ago- "wow" the civilian market by arming police with their guns. it worked back then, but i don't think it'll have the same affect as far as the GAP goes.
 
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I got my hands on one of them today.....not bad. The hump in the backstrap doesnt seem as profound as the standard glocks, that just might be me though. The RTF3 feels about the same as the RTF2 , I could not tell much of a difference. The magazine release doesnt stick out very far, but it is definitely bigger and it feels more responsive.
The dual springs looks neat. The one I looked at came with two back straps, a small punch to use to change them out with, and three hi cap magazines. Price was $559....but the store I was in was known for being a bit high. I am thinking about getting one......but its up in the air between it and a G21SF RTF. One thing I did notice was on the right side of the frame there is "MBS" stamped on it (where "SF" is put on the short frame models).

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Thanks for the pictures Sapper. While I'm glad they ditched the curvy slide serrations, I don't like the look of the grip texture. Doesn't seem as comfortable as the current Glocks.
 
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