George Bush is no friend of mine…

[bogie]

The biggest problem with today's Republican party is what gave it the initial resurgence/power base back in the late seventies/early eighties - the massive defection of religious fanatics from the Democratic party.

Today you have a lot of folks who'd probably vote Republican, except that the folks who are pushing theocracy scare the bleep out of 'em.

 

[Lobotomy Boy]

Today you have a lot of folks who'd probably vote Republican, except that the folks who are pushing theocracy scare the bleep out of 'em.

Dang, I agree with Bogie. It's a might chilly in hell today.

 

[StrikeFire83]

What we have here is a prime example of a person who has been programmed to hate Bush and the Republican party because he/she has mindlessly lapped up the drivel being spewed nonstop by the Demosocialist controlled media outlets.

(With thanks to Al Franken for use of his signature "big, fat poopypants" line).

I find it interesting that you would have a line in your signature like “more corrupt a government, the more numerous it’s laws” and still blindly support an administration what has made more useless and repressive laws than “Demosocialist” presidents have in the past 30 years.

The fact that you are blind to this simple fact means that you are scarcely worth talking to anyhow.

 

[dmallind]

Heck I agree with bogie AND Lobotomy Boy. Now there's a rare event indeed

In fact I AM one of those people Bogie mentions. At least in most part - I still would not have supported Bush, but there are plenty of Republican candidates I could and would support if power for them did not also mean power for the fundies.

 

[Ezekiel]

What we have here is a prime example of a person who has been programmed to hate Bush and the Republican party because he/she has mindlessly lapped up the drivel being spewed nonstop by the Demosocialist controlled media outlets.

[sigh] When will you Shrub-lovers realize that the number one reason these days to dislike el Presidente and his ilk is something called "objective reasoning?"

I've been "programmed" to hate Bush and the Republican Party because they are incompetent.

 

[seeker_two]

Okay, I think some elucidation on my part is in order.

First, just because I feel betrayed by the actions of the Bush administration DOES NOT mean that I suddenly wished I had voted for Kerry. I NEVER said that, so please don’t put words in my mouth.

Second, if you wish to admonish my points, go right ahead. But for those of you who have said “no wonder, this guy has less than 100 posts on THR” or “why do they let people like this post,” all I can say is that I have no respect for you and have nothing else to say to you. I have few posts on this board because up until very recently I was working full time AND going to college. But if you people want truly informative and worthwhile debate, then I think you would welcome those with slightly differing opinions then you own. I am just as fit to make points and have positions are any person who’s made 1000 posts to this board.

Third, here are my positions. If you think I’m still a “flaming liberal” then you’ve fallen off the apple cart one too many times to be regarded with any seriousness.

My Positions
----------------
1) I am a complete and total supporter of the 2nd Amendment and everything it stands for. I believe in the unadulterated existence of civilian firearms ownership. I believe in nationwide legalized concealed carry, the sunset of the ‘assault’ weapons ban, and an end to the 1930s firearms act which in many ways effectively bans civilian ownership of automatic weapons.

2) I believe in a 3% FLAT TAX with NO deductions for anyone, from working poor to elite corporation-owning millionaire. I believe this money should be used for building roads, schools, strengthening the military, NOT for bailing out failing private business ventures.

3) I believe in the disillusion of Social Security. It is a failed program that can and is raided by the federal government at will to pay for pet projects. It will NOT be around when my generation needs to retire, so we should be allowed to opt out and invest our savings how WE choose.

4) I believe in a strong and secure border with both Mexico and Canada. I believe that ILLEGAL aliens should be stopped from entering this country at all costs. I believe that the solution to the alien problem is NOT another broad spectrum amnesty program, which only rewards criminals.

5) I believe that the United Nations is a dangerous tyrannical organization which stands as a direct threat to national sovereignty and our constitution. I believe that the United States should immediately withdraw from this body and cease the unthinkably gargantuan contributions that we give to it on an annual basis.

6) I believe in the immediate repealing of unconstitutional and discriminatory affirmative action policies, which clearly violate the 14th Amendment in both letter and spirit.

I could go on and on, but clearly, I am NOT a big government socialist liberal. I do not see the Bush administration as DIVERGENT from true principles of classical “leave me the F alone” classic conservative principles. If you wish to attack me because I don’t support your golden boy, than go right ahead. But remember, that in so doing you may have lost yet another potential ally in your struggle to get this country back on the right track.

I like this guy....

 

[bogie]

Checks and balances...

I think that the "separation of church and state" largely keeps the fanatics at bay... But just by being there, the scare the bejeebers outta folks...

I mean, who would _seriously_ think that Pat Robertson could be a presidential candidate...

 

[Ezekiel]

I mean, who would _seriously_ think that Pat Robertson could be a presidential candidate...

Pat Robertson and his God: who seems markedly different then mine...

 

[bogie]

Oh, and let me make a prediction...

A large number of THR (and other online forum) accounts will go stagnant following the next election if a Democrat wins. If a Republican wins, the message will be the same, in preparation for the next election.

What's really sad is that some folks will vote "against Bush" and then they'll wonder why their $5 box of shotgun shells suddenly costs $30, or $255, or whatever...

 

[Camp David]

I've been "programmed" to hate Bush and the Republican Party because...

The effectiveness of the left's message, which is compunded by the mass liberal media blaming Bush for all things bad, has never been disputed. The left has been contant in their message that Bush is bad and their minions effective in spreading such a message. Your use of the word "programmed" is both appropriate and accurate.

 

[Lone_Gunman]

What's really sad is that some folks will vote "against Bush" and then they'll wonder why their $5 box of shotgun shells suddenly costs $30, or $255, or whatever...

Thats nothing more than a scare tactic, and will not happen. For that to happen, not only would we need a Democratic president, but also a democratic controlled House and Senate, and the abolition of the NRA.

We suffered through 8 yrs of Clinton, and came out ok.

 

[engineer151515]

....

We suffered through 8 yrs of Clinton, and came out ok.

Only because of the "sunset" of the assault weapons ban. (aka - Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994)

President Clinton signed it into law on September 13, 1994


Had it been permanent.... well, why expound on the negatives that did not happen in spite of President Clinton.

 

[middy]

I have to agree that Bush isn't the perfect Republican. I don't agree with a lot of what he has done and hasn't done.

But I also think that he takes a lot more bashing than he deserves by people who really ought to know better. He isn't the king, just the executive, and his power is second to the power of Congress.

 

[Ezekiel]

The effectiveness of the left's message, which is compunded by the mass liberal media blaming Bush for all things bad, has never been disputed. The left has been contant in their message that Bush is bad and their minions effective in spreading such a message. Your use of the word "programmed" is both appropriate and accurate.

Nice redirect. Allow me to retort:

When will you Shrub-lovers realize that the number one reason these days to dislike el Presidente and his ilk is something called "objective reasoning?" :banghead:

That being said, with a Democratic victory, I'm likely to think they're incompetent, too.

 

[McCall911]

George Bush is no friend of mine…

Yes, well...

Sometimes it's a mostly a matter of who/what you're voting against (like Liberal Dems) instead of who/what you're voting for.

I guess you could say you're choosing the lesser of two evils.

 

[Derby FALs]

Yes, well...

Sometimes it's a mostly a matter of who/what you're voting against (like Liberal Dems) instead of who/what you're voting for.

I guess you could say you're choosing the lesser of two evils.

ONE ELECTION WON'T MAKE OR BREAK THE SYSTEM.

I would rather vote for the candidate that suits me best. Dems and Reps haven't done that for quite awhile.

 

[superhornet]

Sithanas--dmallind--Strikefire83---while I do not concur with all you say, I do respect your right to debate any and all subjects. Debate is an educational learning experience.
I am not actually a Republican or Democrat. I am from the old school of Ayn Rand and I posted not necessarily as a rebuttal to the subject topic, but only as an effort to further the discussion and seek other opinions. I do agree on one thing---The media, democratic party and certain splinter groups have motivated their followers to a true and deep hatred of the President. I belong to the old brotherhood of military members and spent 33 years teminating Commies for Christ and protecting the land. And if someones favorite tune happens to be "He's my Lollipop", I could care less......IMHO of course.

 

[bg]

Bush isn't great at all. Cutting student aid and medicaid so he can make up for the money he has blown on the war in Iraq is morally wrong. The cost of my medication far outseeds my monthly income. without my meds I would be either dead, inprisoned or locked up in the Funny Farm.

I voted for him twice, because I was and still am concerned
the firearm issue here in the Nation. But I agree 100%
on this Medicaid cut business. I've been taking care of my
Mother since 2000 due to multiple strokes and it has NOT
been easy. She will soon have to go into long term care as
I cannot hardly pick her up anymore to clean her and care for
her. We had just a tiny bit of resource to help her, but it's
almost gone, and I can't find work because there's no one
to watch her.

So what does the Pres do ? Cuts one of the programs I was
really counting on to help with her. I don't know what we'll
do, but we'll figure it out. As far as this new budget he
proposes, Folks like us are in trouble. He can send that
budget to the trash can.

Now if I was da*n illegal here in Corrupfornia, I'd be ok..

 

[JohnBT]

"I mean, who would _seriously_ think that Pat Robertson could be a presidential candidate..."

Al Sharpton (D-NY)?

There are nuts scattered all across the land.

John

 

[Helmetcase]

This guy is a big-government, big brother, tin-plated puppet of the large corporations. I feel like a fool for voting for him. This man is no friend of freedom, and no friend of mine.

Seriously, you sound like a forward thinking guy. Even if we don't agree on everything, I'd support you. Make a run for office, I'll endorse you on my site. Yeah I'm four pages late to this argument, but I'll catch up reading the rest of the thread later.

 

[yucaipa]

We suffered through 8 yrs of Clinton, and came out ok.

It sounds like you learned to like the whippings ?

 

[sithanas]

... I believe this money should be used for building roads, schools, strengthening the military, NOT for bailing out failing private business ventures...

I hate to nitpick, but Amtrak isn't really a "private business venture". It's a quasi-governmental organization, in the same venue as the USPS. Sure, it doesn't serve as many people, but to those who it does serve it's invaluable.

On the other hand, bailing out bankrupt airlines is a different matter. If there was only one airline, it'd be a different story, but the air carriers could probably use a little pruning in the name of cost effectiveness. If you can't handle financial solvency as an air carrier, let your assets get bought by one who can. Free market economics.

 

[wingman]

The working class has no friends in government...... Corporate greed and
government is hurting America and we continue to pay. Not a pretty
picture from where I set and I don't expect any president to fix it.

 

[xd9fan]

Okay, I think some elucidation on my part is in order.

First, just because I feel betrayed by the actions of the Bush administration DOES NOT mean that I suddenly wished I had voted for Kerry. I NEVER said that, so please don’t put words in my mouth.

Second, if you wish to admonish my points, go right ahead. But for those of you who have said “no wonder, this guy has less than 100 posts on THR” or “why do they let people like this post,” all I can say is that I have no respect for you and have nothing else to say to you. I have few posts on this board because up until very recently I was working full time AND going to college. But if you people want truly informative and worthwhile debate, then I think you would welcome those with slightly differing opinions then you own. I am just as fit to make points and have positions are any person who’s made 1000 posts to this board.

Third, here are my positions. If you think I’m still a “flaming liberal” then you’ve fallen off the apple cart one too many times to be regarded with any seriousness.

My Positions
----------------
1) I am a complete and total supporter of the 2nd Amendment and everything it stands for. I believe in the unadulterated existence of civilian firearms ownership. I believe in nationwide legalized concealed carry, the sunset of the ‘assault’ weapons ban, and an end to the 1930s firearms act which in many ways effectively bans civilian ownership of automatic weapons.

2) I believe in a 3% FLAT TAX with NO deductions for anyone, from working poor to elite corporation-owning millionaire. I believe this money should be used for building roads, schools, strengthening the military, NOT for bailing out failing private business ventures.

3) I believe in the disillusion of Social Security. It is a failed program that can and is raided by the federal government at will to pay for pet projects. It will NOT be around when my generation needs to retire, so we should be allowed to opt out and invest our savings how WE choose.

4) I believe in a strong and secure border with both Mexico and Canada. I believe that ILLEGAL aliens should be stopped from entering this country at all costs. I believe that the solution to the alien problem is NOT another broad spectrum amnesty program, which only rewards criminals.

5) I believe that the United Nations is a dangerous tyrannical organization which stands as a direct threat to national sovereignty and our constitution. I believe that the United States should immediately withdraw from this body and cease the unthinkably gargantuan contributions that we give to it on an annual basis.

6) I believe in the immediate repealing of unconstitutional and discriminatory affirmative action policies, which clearly violate the 14th Amendment in both letter and spirit.

I could go on and on, but clearly, I am NOT a big government socialist liberal. I do not see the Bush administration as DIVERGENT from true principles of classical “leave me the F alone” classic conservative principles. If you wish to attack me because I don’t support your golden boy, than go right ahead. But remember, that in so doing you may have lost yet another potential ally in your struggle to get this country back on the right track.

Beautiful

 

[xd9fan]

Bush and the GOP spends more money and time with the "freedom" of the people of Iraq then with slowing down the Federal Govt and protecting the Liberty of the individual american from Govt. This is why the GOP will fail. They are not a reform party....they are just another pro-statist party.